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12-18-2010, 06:11 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Schaumburg, IL
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I wonder if Jeppesen will come out with a full release of their aviation map (similar to a FAA sectional, but not identical). If you have seen these, they are really nice.
Perhaps then, everyone will be able to get licensed by Jepp to make planning sites. At least, you will have a quality product from a quality company.
My guess it that this is the planner that AOPA is working on. It would be awesome.
Here's a sample from Jepps website. http://www.jeppesen.com/download/bot...-na-sample.pdf
Here's all the info: http://jeppdirect.jeppesen.com/main/...s_overview.jsp
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12-18-2010, 08:51 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,378
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Originally Posted by Joel
Pete & Marty, there is already an outfit with a fairly good track record of invalidating bogus patents called Electronic Frontier Foundation. Contact them at www.eff.org. They may be a great source of help in this situation.
Certainly hope so.
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Thanks Joel, I sent them an inquiry. Pretty neat site just the same.
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12-18-2010, 09:27 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 426
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Finding Prior Art
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Originally Posted by [SIZE=2
The effective priority date of the '098 Patent is therefore July 31, 2001. The USPTO is legally obligated to review whether or not the claimed invention is "new" and "non-obvious" compared to the state of the art as of that date. The USPTO receives about 400,000 patent applications per year and has a long backlog. It's not unusual for the USPTO to be reviewing a case long after its filed. In this case, the PTO didn't take up the original application for examination until about four years after it was filed. [/size]
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Jonathan knows what he is talking about so if you want to help Dave, find things that were in the public domain prior to July 31, 2001. It would be best to have some documentation that supports the date of the prior art. This could be anything like operating instructions, emails, anything that supports the date and the item that was publicly available.
If there is a "spot on" reference that shows the features in the claim were in the public domain, I think it can be used to file a request for re-examination. This would be a cheap way for Dave to go but is does have some risks. The risk is lowered if it is "spot on" piece of prior art.
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12-18-2010, 09:57 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,378
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Thank you John, sounds great. I will start digging in my own archives. I did receive a reply and EFF.org. I am surprised to hear that they are aware of this incident. I will leave it here for Dave to make his own decisions but its nice to know there are free options available to take this on.
Dear Pete,
Thank you for writing to the EFF! We have been considering possible action in this situation, and your informing us of your friend's action is very helpful.
While we don't actually assist financially in situations like this, we may be able to assist legally. It would be great if you could have your friend contact me at this address so that we can best determine how we can help. Please let me know if you plan to have him contact me.
Again, thank you for the information. We appreciate it greatly.
Yours,
Rebecca Reagan
Intake Coordinator
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12-18-2010, 10:07 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Davenport, IA
Posts: 1,390
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Prior Art
One of the sites to help to look for prior art is... http://web.archive.org
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12-18-2010, 01:33 PM
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Join Date: May 2009
Location: Zurich, Switzerland
Posts: 538
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Sticking Together
In order to fill the gap, I would be willing to discuss hosting a similar site to Runway Finder from Switzerland or Germany until such time as these idiots get the message.
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Anthony Johnston
Brit working in Zurich, Switzerland.
1500 hour pilot and ex instructor and examiner.
RV-4 s/n 4572 Emp Kit.
RV-3B s/n 11460 Emp Kit. (In storage).
Anthony's RV-4
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12-18-2010, 01:50 PM
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Join Date: May 2009
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 531
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Originally Posted by Phil
I've been in the IT industry for 17 years now and involved in several software technologies that were patented and others who have cloned our products claiming an invention on their behalf. We currently hold 385 legitimate patents. Stuff like this comes up occasionally but intellectual property (IP) is the thing that gets challenged more in today's environment. This patent is non-sense and I have no sympathy for the folks at SkyVector.
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Having thought about it more...I pretty much agree with you. 
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12-18-2010, 07:20 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Davenport, IA
Posts: 1,390
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I have sent the following to all of the members of our EAA chapter. Please copy my text and forward it to all of your chapter members, and any other GA pilots you may know. Put it in your chapter's newsletter. FlightPrep is driving the small little guys that are providing all of us a free service, out of business. This is truly a sad day. I would hope the EAA, the AOPA and Jeppesen engage FlightPrep and end this madness. Several of the FREE internet flight planning services have ceased in providing on line, scrollable sectionals.
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Are you and your GA friends aware of this important issue. FlightPrep is threatening all of the small websites that offer flight planning, such as RunwayFinder with a patent infringement lawsuit. RunwayFinder.com is no longer. http://blog.runwayfinder.com/ Several other internet flight planning websites are no longer providing chart data on their websites. FlightPrep is clearing going after the little guys. Jeppesen, the AOPA and FlightAware have publically told FlightPrep to pound sand.
Also see the thread on the VAF forum related to this issue. http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...ad.php?t=65912
I will never again purchase a product from FlightPrep nor Roger Stenbock who sells his flight instruction materials thru several outlets.
PLEASE FORWARD THIS INFORMATION TO ALL OF YOUR GA/HOMEBUILDER FRIENDS. All internet flight planning services are at risk.
Please support Dave Parsons at RunwayFinder anyway you can. His email is dave@runwayfinder.com
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12-19-2010, 05:33 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Heidelberg, Germany
Posts: 182
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Originally Posted by islandmonkey
In order to fill the gap, I would be willing to discuss hosting a similar site to Runway Finder from Switzerland or Germany until such time as these idiots get the message.
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Anthony, I'd be willing to help with this if needed.
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Hendrik
Club-Libelle: flying
RV-8: on hold (new job  , new home  , no workshop (yet)  )
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12-19-2010, 11:27 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Out West!
Posts: 80
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They have removed most dissenting post from their Facebook site. It was overwhelmingly negative.
The word seems to be spreading fast...and this is something they may not be able to stop.
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