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Old 12-14-2010, 09:28 PM
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Wow. This reminds me of the JPI vs. Matronics deal from the late 90s. JPI may have won the battle, but to this day you don't see many RVs with their products in the panel (nor should you ever.) They've just alienated a large chunk of their potential customer base.
That is exactly what I thought as well. JPI and FlightPrep are now evil in my book. We'll be making sure that everyone at every local EAA gathering knows about this.

I'm a software engineer who has both filed and defended software patents and I know how bogus most software patents are.
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Old 12-14-2010, 09:42 PM
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Also if Doug Parsons needs help finding prior art to invalidate this bogus patent, I'm happy to help. In fact, his site was up before the patent was filed.

http://images.flightprep.com/License...nt-7640098.pdf

In fact - a very public, crowdsourced effort to find and document prior art might be enough of a stick that this evil company will lay-off. They presumably want to go after bigger fish than runwayfinder, and if fighting runwayfinder decreases their chances against Jeppesen they might go elsewhere.
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Old 12-14-2010, 10:43 PM
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"In spite of the foregoing, FlightPrep stands by its offer to grant a free-license to RunwayFinder to operate its website during this negotiation phase of our legal dispute. We are not asking RunwayFinder to shut down and in-fact are offering them a temporary free-pass at our technology in hopes that this gesture of goodwill will better enable both RunwayFinder and FlightPrep to constructively work toward a mutually beneficial long-term solution."

This sounds cooperative. Am I missing something?
Yep.

If RunwayFinder would accept a temporary license, it would strengthen FlightPrep's case.

You see, FlightPrep's lawyers just put a line out on the internet that says use our license and keep your site up. If he kept his site up, would he be keeping it up because he doesn't feel like he needs a license or would he be keeping it up by the temporary license that was issued via a website?

So if he's up and running, which platform is he running on; the original or the licensed version? The lawyers will say it was the licensed version.

What the lawyers missed is that you can't offer a temporary license on the internet and think that's a good offer. If you're going to offer a temporary license, put it in a contract for acceptance by signature. I have a feeling that's something they don't want to do and they're hoping RF comes back online and then they can claim the temp license was accepted. (Or was it?) So they're leaving them with no choice but to keep the site shut down.

I think the RunwayFinder guys are handling this quite well and I think they're doing a great job of staying one step ahead of the lawyers. They seem to be pretty well informed or at least well educated in playing the game the lawyers want to play.

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Old 12-14-2010, 10:45 PM
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What about a good old fashion boycott campaign of FlightPrep?
  • Build a page listing the reason for the boycott.
  • Make a banner which web site owners could post on their home page with a link to the page above.
When Boycott FlightPrep banners start popping up all over the web I'd think FlightPrep may just go away for good.

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Old 12-14-2010, 11:06 PM
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So is this what the 60's felt like?
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Old 12-14-2010, 11:09 PM
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What about a good old fashion boycott campaign of FlightPrep?
  • Build a page listing the reason for the boycott.
  • Make a banner which web site owners could post on their home page with a link to the page above.
When Boycott FlightPrep banners start popping up all over the web I'd think FlightPrep may just go away for good.

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Old 12-14-2010, 11:24 PM
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Apparently Stenbock can be contacted here:

http://www.stenbock.com/About_Us.html

This may be his cell phoine. Since this is an urgent matter, you may want to call to fill him in on your thoughts.
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Old 12-14-2010, 11:27 PM
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If RunwayFinder would accept a temporary license, it would strengthen FlightPrep's case.
Bingo.

I've been reading this for three days now and had to add my name to the pile. I downloaded Flightprep's trial version of their iPad software, but it didn't give me anything I didn't already have with other free programs available from the App store. I won't name them, lest FP decides they need to go after them too.

I'm not impressed. I'll add my review to their app page tomorrow AM when I get to work... Can't do it from home as my iTunes install is at work. And i'll delete the trial version too, which will expire in 20 days anyway.
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Old 12-15-2010, 01:23 AM
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FlightPrep is actively de-liking Facebook accounts to remove negative comments from their Facebook page. They can run like a chicken from the public opinion...... but they will find no place to hide. Two things I have learned about aviation over the last 35 years: (1) It is a small community. & (2) It has a VERY long memory.

FlightPrep has screwed themselves. As they look for blame they can simply look in the mirror. Perhaps they can sue themselves and prevail!

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Old 12-15-2010, 01:27 AM
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I agree with what others have said here and I can't believe this company is proceeding in this era of fast growing public awareness about bullying. Anti-bullying day here is Feb 23, 2011. I cast my vote for the T-shirt campaign and a offering a donation to a war chest to fight this. Although isn't this what AOPA/COPA etc are to be doing? Not to a mention a personal boycott of the offending products/services.

In my opinion, the T-shirt should be pink to mutually support the growing Anti-bullying campaign already in place, and worn en-masse at all major aviation events in 2011.

see http://www.pinkshirtday.ca/

These guys appear to be nothing more than old school yard bullies who were never fortunate enough to be corrected at an early age. So, I guess they need to be corrected at an old age, which will be more painfull.

Just as they say..."There's no difference between men and boys other than the size and price of their toys." Bullying is not socially acceptable, on the school yard, nor the business world. Hopefully these guys will learn to play nicely in the sandbox.

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PS I doubt the loser who bullied me in grade 7 does cool things like... build and fly airplanes!!!
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