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10-28-2010, 02:57 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Bellevue, NE
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NOTAMs
The one and only runway at my airport closed for two hours in the middle of the afternoon for non-emergency maintenance. The NOTAM was published with 90 minutes notice. This could present a safety issue if one was to arrive with minimum fuel.
Upon speaking with the airport authority, their stance was that the NOTAM system was for actual conditions and not future conditions. Therefore, even though they knew of this closure with a week's notice, they weren't going to publish the NOTAM any sooner.
What do you all think about this? Is the NOTAM system there to notify us of future closures when the situation allows such notification?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Jim
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10-28-2010, 04:27 PM
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The airport I fly out of for work (KSAD) had it's runways closed recently for resurfacing. The NOTAM's were published weeks in advance about each of the two runways. What your describing makes no sense to me, if the closure is known in advance. Glenn
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10-28-2010, 04:35 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: santa barbara, CA
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I seriously doubt their stated reason has any legitemacy whatsoever - more likely just a lame way to sweep their own negligence under the rug. Regardless, this is just stupid stupid stupid. Can they not admit that it would have been better for everyone to have disseminated that information as soon as possible?
erich
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10-28-2010, 04:46 PM
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Location: Defiance, MO
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I goes against what every pilot is taught that preparation on the ground before the flight is a requirement when flying. Not sure how you are expected to adaquately prepare when you are not given all the available information. I think this is the argument that finally got the TFRs published ahead of time.
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10-28-2010, 06:43 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Bellevue, NE
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Thanks guys.
One of their points in response was the closure was somewhat of a moving target. They think that if they published with a week's notice the airport was going to be closed on Thursday, only for a change to happen on Tuesday where they had to slip the closure until Friday, that all the NOTAMS and changes would just confuse us pilots.
My point back was that changes happen and if they would simply keep the NOTAMS up-to-date with the most accurate information, then we could all adjust as necessary.
Kind of makes me want to join the advisory board (not even sure if that's a possibility) just to bring some pilot knowledge into the decision process.
Thanks again.
Jim
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10-28-2010, 07:06 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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I submit most of the NOTAMs at my airport and do it with as much advance notice as possible. Runway closures certainly and we email folks as well.
Moving targets just move as required. Even a paint job would be known the day before most likely.
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10-28-2010, 07:29 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Giddings Municipal Airport (KGYB)
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I posted a notam a couple weeks ago for an event here at GYB on a saturday.. I tried to post it a week ahead of time, but ATC said no sooner than 3 days prior to an event.
So the wednesday before.. It was for airport closure for ALL air and ground traffic that was to be in effect from 7am to 3pm that saturday.
4 aircraft arrived and departed just after 1pm and left before 3pm.. I learned a posted NOTAM doesnt mean people will check it!!
So one posted 90minutes before an event, is TERRIBLE planning on behalf of the person that posted it!
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10-29-2010, 02:35 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Sydney, Aust.
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I would strongly suggest you get in touch with the FAA to let them know your local pencil-pusher's take on the NOTAM system, or their abuse thereof.
A NOTAM is just that, an operational notification, that something is different, and should be obtained prior to flight to ensure the flight can be undertaken safely and legally. I suppose you could draw a line within 100 miles of your local field, and then point out that anyone outside that circle is being put at risk by their no-notice runway closure.
To get anywhere in Australia you need to fly a long time, and if I were to suddenly arrive overhead my destination to see X's all over the runway, with min fuel and nowhere else to go, there'd be **** to pay, especially if there was no NOTAM about it.
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10-29-2010, 04:45 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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I'd Like to Have All Information Before Departing, But...
I agree that short notices should be avoided whenever possible, but this should NEVER be a safety issue. Could it be inconvenient? Sure. But even a student pilot making his first cross country flight should know enough to have alternatives available (it's actually part of the FARs). As far as arriving at the planned destination with minimum fuel, that's also pretty much Flying 101 (and also covered by FARs). While I can't recall any other times when such short notice resulted in a planned shutdown over the past nearly 40 years, I've seen plenty of unplanned closures - most of them related to accidents before my arrival or unforecast weather. We need to be prepared.
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10-29-2010, 07:39 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Rockwall, TX
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NOTAM help
Jim-
I might be able to help prevent this from happening to you again...check your PMs.
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