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07-01-2010, 12:43 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: KRTS
Posts: 1,798
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I don't remember how long Pioneer is in Oshkosh (little grass strip next to EAA HQ), but it's pretty short. I spent a summer flying 6A's out of there with no problems. Big trees on one side. Probably have a few hundred to's/ldg's on there.
The key is discipline. We had a set of cones marking the "no later than" touch down spot for landing. If you were longer, you went around. Even landing shorter than those cones, on an early morning with dew on the grass it could get exciting.
As far as climbing out during the day, even when it was hot, I never remember having a problem.
I say all this with the caveat that I don't remember what the total length of the grass was.
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07-01-2010, 03:02 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Glendale, AZ
Posts: 65
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6 OK sure, 6A.....I don't know
I have a 180HP/CS 6A around 250 hrs in it and a ton of those while off road. Also plenty of Super Cub/Kit Fox experience on short strips. Landing on that strip is going to be seriously challenging! I'm not saying impossible or even un-safe just challenging Take off, of course I'd have no problems....landing is another story and I really refer 1500 minimum.
Two major concerns are; landing long not making the go around decision in time and slamming the nose wheel down while braking hard on the grass.
Once the mains touch VERY near the approach end I start braking right away while holding full UP elevator. I just use as much brakes as possible to keep the nose wheel slightly off the ground. Once the airspeed drops the nose wheel lands and heavy braking puts a lot of weight on it. This is the time when I'm most cautious and concerned.
If you can make it there repeatedly and safely, I love hear about it.
Jason Krause
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07-02-2010, 07:28 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Fort Myers
Posts: 370
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Be careful...if you run out room you could get arrested for "stalking" 
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07-03-2010, 04:56 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: TX32
Posts: 1,891
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Tight Squeeze...
Matt,
1900 feet? No worries mate. I have brought both a 6A and 7A into my strip to work on for customers. It was 1200' usable at the time. I also operate my Harmon Rocket out of it every day.
With an RV nosedragger I practice a 58-62 knot approach, power on, nose high until touchdown then power off and light braking. If you practice configured slow flight, you will be surprised at how "slow you can go". Make sure you're less than 1/2 fuel, no pax and bags and try the approach on a longer runway first. Consider yourself committed at 100' and you'll make better approaches. My Dos Centavos...
Smokey
HR2
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07-03-2010, 08:11 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Biggsville ILL
Posts: 82
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Thank's Smoky and everybody else for the advice. I'm going to get some help from some local EAA's before I dive into this buy myself. I just hate paying them $85 hanger fee's when I have a new hanger at home.
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07-03-2010, 08:34 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Calgary, Canada
Posts: 5,766
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I see some of the people posting here have C/S props. That makes all the difference in acceleration on takeoff. Maybe some have not been in a 320 FP 6A at gross on a hot day- takeoff acceleration is leisurely at best. Throw in no wind, the extra drag of grass...
Without the drag of a C/S for landing too, you really need to be on the numbers especially with no wind or a tail wind. Hammering on the brakes on wet grass doesn't do much at 40-50 knots and I'd be concerned about heavy braking on a rough strip with an A model.
Approach this carefully.
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07-04-2010, 06:01 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Chesterfield, Missouri
Posts: 4,514
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rv6ejguy
I see some of the people posting here have C/S props. That makes all the difference in acceleration on takeoff. Maybe some have not been in a 320 FP 6A at gross on a hot day- takeoff acceleration is leisurely at best. Throw in no wind, the extra drag of grass...
Without the drag of a C/S for landing too, you really need to be on the numbers especially with no wind or a tail wind. Hammering on the brakes on wet grass doesn't do much at 40-50 knots and I'd be concerned about heavy braking on a rough strip with an A model.
Approach this carefully.
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I couldn't agree more, been operating out of 2200' with tall trees for 5 years in various turf and weather conditions, first with CS prop and Subby, and then Lycoming with FP. Some days it is best to not open the hangar door. Wet grass with soft turf can degrade performance significantly. Landing in a cross wind or calm wind will be challenging. The direct cross wind can and will be a tail wind many days. Just a slight tail wind is very noticeable on take off or landing on a short runway.
The stated conditions of the proposed runway and a FP 0320 will preclude safe flying many days throughout the year. Do it very carefully.
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