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04-02-2006, 01:09 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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Hmmm, lets see, You are flying a non standard "close in pattern" without radios. Maybe the i***t was looking for traffic where he would expet to see it, maybe he has a high wing a/c and you placed yourself into his blind spot, maybe his is not the only idiot?
Tom
norhtern california
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12-03-2014, 12:25 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2013
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civility
I would suggest that members refrain from name calling in post replies.
It is supposed to be constructive... not inflamatory.
Once I get called a name.... the topic rapidly changes and focus is lost.
That would be unfortunate.
This is a topic of interest, let's learn from all comments and be civil. OK?
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12-03-2014, 12:52 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2010
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It's also an 8 year old thread.
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12-03-2014, 02:43 PM
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Join Date: May 2012
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Having learned how to fly out of a grass strip and spending most of my flying time in E & G airspace, my frame of reference may be somewhat different from you ?big city? pilots.
I was taught to always have my head on a swivel, never to believe another pilot?s position report (or anything else they say, either?unless you?re on his/her wing), and never-ever expect another pilot to act the way [you] would.
I?ve seen King-Airs make straight-in approaches, diligently making position reports on the wrong frequency. I?ve seen airline pilots flying their C-185?s in formation, and be so engrossed in admiring each other that they forgot they were flying in a crowded pattern.
If you don?t believe me, take your handheld and listen to the inbound gaggle at Sun-n-Fun or Oshkosh, and tell me that you haven?t been shocked at how some pilots can possibly be so unprepared, unaware and unprofessional.
MY commitment to aviation safety is to expect that YOU are an utter moron until happily proven otherwise. I would respectfully suggest that you do me the same honor. Once you get to know me, you MAY change your mind.
For the record, I have NEVER done anything stupid; in the air, on the ground, in college, or at bachelorette parties.
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12-03-2014, 03:13 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Chesterfield, Missouri
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Originally Posted by YellowPeril
Having learned how to fly out of a grass strip and spending most of my flying time in E & G airspace, my frame of reference may be somewhat different from you ?big city? pilots.
I was taught to always have my head on a swivel, never to believe another pilot?s position report (or anything else they say, either?unless you?re on his/her wing), and never-ever expect another pilot to act the way [you] would.
I?ve seen King-Airs make straight-in approaches, diligently making position reports on the wrong frequency. I?ve seen airline pilots flying their C-185?s in formation, and be so engrossed in admiring each other that they forgot they were flying in a crowded pattern.
If you don?t believe me, take your handheld and listen to the inbound gaggle at Sun-n-Fun or Oshkosh, and tell me that you haven?t been shocked at how some pilots can possibly be so unprepared, unaware and unprofessional.
MY commitment to aviation safety is to expect that YOU are an utter moron until happily proven otherwise. I would respectfully suggest that you do me the same honor. Once you get to know me, you MAY change your mind.
For the record, I have NEVER done anything stupid; in the air, on the ground, in college, or at bachelorette parties.
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12-03-2014, 06:16 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tin man
Hmmm, lets see, You are flying a non standard "close in pattern" without radios. Maybe the i***t was looking for traffic where he would expet to see it, maybe he has a high wing a/c and you placed yourself into his blind spot, maybe his is not the only idiot?
Tom
norhtern california
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I missed this when he posted it. A tight pattern is one where once you pull the power back and you never have to add power to make the runway. I'm guessing Tom here only flies bomber patterns.
For those of you who have never flown an airplane without a radio, it is a great experience, I suggest you beg, borrow, or steal a ride in a Cub, Champ, T-craft, or whatever. Even if you never plan on flying one again it will teach you to keep your eyes open all the time, especially in the pattern.
One reason this is so important is that it is not uncommon for a pilot to have his radio turned down, tuned to the wrong frequency, or have a radio failure and not be able to transmit. Keep your eyes open and keep your patterns tight, where pilots are trained to look. Remember, the FAA does not consider you in the pattern if you are more than three miles away from the airport. Thus there is no such thing as a five mile final, as I have heard on the radio.
PS. For those flying these older airplanes, using a handheld radio is not an option unless they replace the mags, ignition harness, and spark plugs with shielded units. The original, unshielded ignitions interfere with radio transmissions and render even a handheld inoperable. (Listen, yes. Transmit, no.) While many of these older ignitions have been upgraded, many haven't.
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12-03-2014, 06:28 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Prescott, AZ
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aging post
the post is old.... the topic lives on....
Let's be polite to each other out there.....
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