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01-04-2010, 08:39 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: KSLC
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I'm a fast reader, and do tend to read the NTSB reports every Mon, Wed, and Fri. I don't see the RV's standing out for any special reasons over the others. But I do see many accidents (GA in general) that had to do with engine problems on takeoff, as well as engine failure in flight. Surprisingly, many are simple fuel problems that could have been avoided. Everything from running out of fuel, to taking off with not enough fuel in the tank being used. Then the pilot doesn't switch to the other tank that may have contained fuel, and a lot appear to end up stalling & falling behind some tree line somewhere. So two basics..............making sure you have enough fuel on board, and maintaining airspeed after loss of power are not met.
L.Adamson --- RV6A
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01-04-2010, 10:35 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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Just a nit, I would not call running out of fuel (wrong tank, etc) "engine failure."
That is "fuel starvation" or whatever they use. But you are right...inexcusable. That may also go back to judgment. Don't pass up a fuel stop just because it will add 45 minutes to your flight or make you have to overnight short of your destination.
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01-04-2010, 11:05 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Lake Havasu City AZ
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Two of the 2009 accidents involved instructors. Since the flights resulted in accidents I have to wonder about the relationship between the "student" and the instructor. Was this some low time instructor with no pertinent experience trying to check someone out in an RV, or alternatively giving a BFR. Get your training with someone "qualified in type" or if not possible, someone who has significant experience in similar aircraft. A Pitts or Extra instructor is a good alternative if you can't find someone with RV experience.
Aerobatics- There have been three fatal accidents that I can think of in the Aerobatic community. Two have been VERY high profile people that were very experienced. Why would anyone think they are better than these people and can get away with a low altitude roll? Get at least ten hours of aerobatic training in a high performance airplane and then do your acro above 5000' agl.
Stall/spin- I believe most of the stall spin accidents in ALL homebuilts would go away if everyone took a good acro course and then explored the corners of the flight envelope on a regular basis. In other words don't make the stalls/slow flight strictly a BFR event, but practice them on a regular basis.
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01-05-2010, 06:54 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: KSLC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Lee
Just a nit, I would not call running out of fuel (wrong tank, etc) "engine failure."
That is "fuel starvation" or whatever they use. But you are right...inexcusable. That may also go back to judgment. Don't pass up a fuel stop just because it will add 45 minutes to your flight or make you have to overnight short of your destination.
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Yes, I should have said "loss of power".
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01-05-2010, 09:56 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Sandy Valley,Nevada 3L2
Posts: 151
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Numbers of RV's flying
It seems the number of RV's flying each year is growing exponetially. So it would be logical to assume the number of accidents should likewise grow. Throw in the fact that these are experimental with a lot of test flying going on we should expect what is happening. I am a survivor of an engine out on take off on my third flight. RV7 survived too. I'm not ready to make conclusions that RV's are more dangerous than whatever without more facts. Remember if there are 4 incidents one year and 6 the next thats a 50% increase which is a lot more impressive than an increase of 2.
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01-05-2010, 12:11 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Savannah, GA
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As some one mentioned about the -9 and the -10 has not had a fatal crash in 20 months while the numbers have probably almost doubled for both of those planes. The -10 crashes are all completely different with the pilot or the pilot's decisions causing the problem. You have Dan's nothing further need to be said here. The one in Texas where the pilot more than likely had a medical problem. The one in Alabama on the way to Sun-n-fun was due to becoming disoriented in IMC. IMO he was not 100% familar with the RV-10 in IMC. Others may know more about it. I really don't know what else you can do safety wise for the RV-9 and RV-10. The are both great flying planes that really don't get pushed to the limit like the other RVs.
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RV-10 Vesta V8 LS2/BMA EFIS/One formerly flying at 3J1 Hobbs stopped at 150 hours
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01-05-2010, 01:37 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,010
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Originally Posted by TSwezey
As some one mentioned about the -9 and the -10 has not had a fatal crash in 20 months while the numbers have probably almost doubled for both of those planes. The -10 crashes are all completely different with the pilot or the pilot's decisions causing the problem. You have Dan's nothing further need to be said here. The one in Texas where the pilot more than likely had a medical problem. The one in Alabama on the way to Sun-n-fun was due to becoming disoriented in IMC. IMO he was not 100% familar with the RV-10 in IMC. Others may know more about it. I really don't know what else you can do safety wise for the RV-9 and RV-10. The are both great flying planes that really don't get pushed to the limit like the other RVs.
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Hey Todd:
I push my 9A to the limit every time I fly it.  At the same time, I hopefully understand what the limits are (granted, they're lower than those of the other RVs). Most important is not to exceed them or my own capabilities.
Glad to hear the 9 and 10 are showing good safety numbers-maybe it will help push down insurance costs.
Terry, CFI
RV-9A N323TP
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01-05-2010, 04:16 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Dallas, TX (ADS)
Posts: 2,180
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Thinking back to the issue of letting our friends do dumb things: I have several friends who smoke. This, in my mind, is dumb, since it significantly lowers your life expectancy. However, I've learned to live with the fact that they are grown adults and can make their own choices. I tell them from time to time that I think they should stop, but I don't nag them about it. I say my peace and let it go. But I'm not about to stop socializing with them because they puff the cancer sticks. If they are reckless about other people's lives, that's different, but if they're really only risking their own lives, I'm ok with that. They are the ones who have the final say about their own lives.
I guess I'm the same way about flying. I have flying friends who, in my mind, do dumb things. I haven't hesitated to ask them about the risks they take and whether they're comfortable with them. Sometimes they will admit that their judgement is suspect and sometimes they see nothing wrong. I speak my peace and let them go. If it endangers other people or is egregious, then I reevaluate whether I want to socialize with them, and sometimes the answer is "NO" - this happened more than once in 2009.
TODR
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CTSW N621CT - SOLD but not forgotten
Home Bases LBX, BZN
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01-06-2010, 02:40 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 358
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Originally Posted by the_other_dougreeves
I guess I'm the same way about flying. I have flying friends who, in my mind, do dumb things. I haven't hesitated to ask them about the risks they take and whether they're comfortable with them. Sometimes they will admit that their judgement is suspect and sometimes they see nothing wrong. I speak my peace and let them go. If it endangers other people or is egregious, then I reevaluate whether I want to socialize with them, and sometimes the answer is "NO" - this happened more than once in 2009.
TODR
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If every one did nothing more than this, it would have a profound effect on the accident rate.... Politely challenge people who do stupid things and if they do not respond favorably don't hang with them....
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
Last edited by B25Flyer : 01-06-2010 at 04:19 PM.
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01-06-2010, 04:53 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Dallas, TX (ADS)
Posts: 2,180
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Originally Posted by B25Flyer
If every one did nothing more than this, it would have a profound effect on the accident rate.... Politely challenge people who do stupid things and if they do not respond favorably don't hang with them....
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This is why I like soaring in a club environment - those who do really stupid things tend to hear it from everyone, and friendly critiques of one's flying are just part of the culture. Since our club owns the airport and has the liabilities, it's in our own best interest to run a safe operation.
TODR
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CTSW N621CT - SOLD but not forgotten
Home Bases LBX, BZN
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