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Old 12-15-2009, 09:20 AM
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I really like the idea of an alternate engine to the Lyc or Cont. Only because it is the spirit of invention. That being said, I have had two engines fail in my life. One left me stranded on the side of the road (Subaru) the other making an emergency approach shortly after takeoff (Lycoming).

Anyone want to try a Toyota?
I think the Toyota will need fuel, too.
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Old 12-15-2009, 09:22 AM
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I am in favor of alternative engines and think that it is time to come to a new world. And I would like to use Mogas myself if it is readily available. Now then... There have been many problems in the past with the Egg engine. That would be hard to refute. The one problem (the PSRU) that held my attention seems to have been fixed. I am very hopeful of this because I have friends out there. Any comment on my part is because I consider all pilots friends. I want you to be successful. I strongly suggest that you be a good mechanic to undertake this sort of project. I would also be ready to take everything apart and check the construction of each modification, and be ready to make some of your own parts. The racing community seems to have a good handle on these engines, and some solid good advice to us on how to keep them running. God bless and watch out for you people out there who are taking us to a new level.
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Old 12-15-2009, 09:24 AM
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I really like the idea of an alternate engine to the Lyc or Cont. Only because it is the spirit of invention. That being said, I have had two engines fail in my life. One left me stranded on the side of the road (Subaru) the other making an emergency approach shortly after takeoff (Lycoming).

Anyone want to try a Toyota?
The next EGG adventure involves a Honda engine, not a Toyota, to perhaps shake up the Rotax 912 world if that is possible.

Go see http://eggenfellneraircraft.com/Hond...20Engines.html
for more info on that subject.
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Old 12-15-2009, 09:30 AM
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I think the Toyota will need fuel, too.
Hey now, I had fuel

Subaru - snapped timing belt (60k miles)
Lycoming - got hungry and decided to eat an exhaust valve, then started to choke on it.

The Honda conversion looks interesting.
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Old 12-15-2009, 09:47 AM
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I'm not going to chop the thread or post Mickey, but I think that we've got a pretty good collection of negative posts here and in the archives (what - ten thousand or so?) to enlighten most folks that are casually thinking of an alternative engine.

I worry that with the vehement (and many times justified!) responses we get on any alternative engine related thread, we drive people who really DO like to experiment away from VAF. Warnings are good, but piling on? I understand that there are vendors out there that folks need to be told about - that's been done over and over again. How many more times? Till the topic goes away? We could just ask Doug to remove the forum....

The idea is to spread information, and that's been done - not to continue bashing an idea. That drives people away - and although I am just a member/moderator, my feeling is that there are already too many schisms in aviation to be exclusive.

Again, I am a Lyclone fan myself, but there ARE experienced folks with lots to share that go in to Alternatives with their eyes open and I'd like to have them stick around to participate.

Completely my own opinions!

Paul
Well said Paul! I was going to make a similar comment but you said it much better than I could! There are several people who vanished or don't post very often anymore that have had great successes in alternative engines. We have lost some great knowledge because of it. Certified engines took many years to get where they are today and they still have some failures once and a while. Enough beating a dead horse. Like Paul said there are thousands of posts on this subject.
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Old 12-15-2009, 09:41 PM
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What Paul says makes sense. It probably isnt viable, but why not have a thread which would be the :
" beware items"
This could be used to warn new members or users of this forum of vendors etc of which to be aware of. Not to allow slating in the thread but merely place the facts in the open. This forum holds a lot of info and the search function does not always take you to the "be carefull" posts.

Maybe it could save someone some heartache?

As for myself I have avoided stepping into dangerous areas like "blue mountain" thanks to VAF.
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Old 12-15-2009, 09:49 PM
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Always consider looking at the Florida sun shine state comptroller records for ownership records before buying any engine. You'd be surprised at what it will reveil.
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Old 12-16-2009, 05:49 AM
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By the activity on the "alternate engine" threads, I believe we are ALL ready to to jump on an alternative as soon as someone declares, "I got 4000 hours on my Briggs and it cost $2500, ace hardware overhauled it for $400! (and it burns ethanol/auto fuel).

Right now the EGG is the closest thing to that. The recent threads on this subject kind-of makes me want to explore that option if I build another.
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Old 12-16-2009, 09:22 AM
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There are several people who vanished or don't post very often anymore that have had great successes in alternative engines. We have lost some great knowledge because of it.
Yup. Most of us are on the FlySoob and Subenews Yahoo lists, where we can have friendly discussions without the drama and sometimes flaming rants that happen here. Anyone wishing to talk in a civilized manner about alternative engines is welcome to join us on the Flysoob list, and if you own an Eggenfellner engine you would be very welcome in the Subenews list as well. Feel free to contact me off list if you'd like.

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Old 12-21-2009, 06:58 PM
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AMEN DEEJ!!!

I like this forum, but I think it is best to communicate facts instead of here-say.

I have an RV-9a with an H-6 on it and love it. It is as smooth as a turboprop and very fuel efficient.

I solved my cooling issues this summer, they are NO LONGER an issue.

I think the engine package IS a little slower, but you have to ask yourself why you want one of these engines.

If you want smoothness and good fuel efficiency, buy a Sub, if you want proven technology and a "rattle-wagon", buy a Lyc.

Sometimes it seems people are just scared of what they dont know about. REMEMBER, you all are flying and EXPERIMENTAL airplane. Have some FUN with it and make your hangar neighbors jealous when you start up!!!

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