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Old 11-08-2009, 12:47 PM
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I do not have the db25 filter. I'll be contacting TT tomorrow.

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Old 11-08-2009, 02:18 PM
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Tested mine today.. it did climb.. but only 60 feet and after that, it wanted to go back down to original altitude (while sensor still covered)... Removing the finger from the sensor initiated immediate correction back to original alt...

This is the regular VSGV w/ new blue screen.. not AFS model..
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Old 11-08-2009, 02:42 PM
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Could just be that my ap settings are more aggressive i guess...

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Old 11-08-2009, 02:50 PM
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regarding the db25 filter:

there were earlier issues with the digiflight series (no matter which screen in that case) where it would cause pitch excursions when transmitting on com1 for example. we're not flying yet, but had it happen when testing the autopilot on the ground.
source was traced to radio frequency interference coming through the main connector into the unit. someone else found out the trick with the db25 filter, then spread it on the net.
here's the one we're using:
https://www.distrelec.ch/ishopWebFro...ries/is/1.html
there are other sources for similar filters in the u.s.
they plug inline between the connector and the autopilot navhead. the problem went away instantly. according to lucas, when asked why they don't incorporate the fix internally, he mentioned it to be impossible for them to retrofit the filter function in the current hardware due to space/pcb constraints. and he claims the problem to appear too randomly to warrant supplying the filter with the autopilot. they aren't that expensive ($25 or so) compared to the autopilot but just another one of the 10000 unnecessary hassles in airplane building. first you need to detect a. that you have a problem, b. that you're not the only one, c. what the cause is, d. find a fix somewhere in the forums, e. find, f. order, g. pay, h. have it shipped, i. then wait and wonder wheter it will fix the problem...

service has been excellent by trutrak but me thinks, given the situation, they should supply these filters free of charge to whoever encounters the problem if not with every autopilot at delivery...

the fact that these filters were even required in the first part shows that there is an underlying EMI/RFI problem in the design.

so it didn't surprise me at all that somebody finds the dimmer(of the new screen) to cause erratic behaviour.

displays/backlights are common "noise generators" and put a new/different one internally into a device that's already critical in that regard and you might end up with a situation like this. wonder why they didn't catch that one during testing though...

i have high regards in trutrak and am sure they will provide a fix.
also it's important to know, that once you have tested the installation under all electrical configurations, ptt presses, dimmer settings etc... and found no problems the units should function just fine and reliably. this is due diligence, but should be a caution for anyone wanting to test it "out of the box" right away in the air. be careful, there might be nasty surprises.

the vsgv version and AFS version are technically identical except for different software loads and button labels as i understand. so these emi/rfi issues affect all in the same way.

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Old 11-08-2009, 04:37 PM
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Here is the thread on the TruTrak forum about the RF issue and the "solution" that fixed it.

Although it sounds similar, if the SOURCE of the RF issue is internal with the new Blue screen, I don't know that the filter would either help or hurt.

If those of you experiencing the problem will provide TruTrak the answer to the question of whether or not you have the filter installed, it might at least eliminate that as a cause or cure.
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Old 11-09-2009, 09:18 AM
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It is a Monday isn't it?

We have confirmed this "phenomenon" in units that have the new display, but the older magnetometer style circuit boards. We are looking into the solution for this right now. As soon as we have the answer, I'll post on here and our own forum.

To answer a few other questions, I doubt the addition of the filter on the back of the unit will cure this particular problem. This is an internal problem, not an external one like the other RF issues seen by customers.

We don't supply the filters with the units because the number of people experiencing the RF/pitch change problem is quite few. Also, the units do have capacitance filters on the boards themselves and are protected as best we can. But when you have a large external RF source (such as a comm), you are hitting the AP with more than it can handle on its own. The gyros are very sensitive to these spikes in energy. The ideal solution is to find the source of the errant RF in your aircraft and eliminate it, but that is time consuming. The filter seems to do the trick in 99% of cases.

Ok, back to the topic at hand. No AFS Pilot units will be affected by this problem. As long as it has the EFIS/AP buttons, it's good to go regardless of if it's had the display changed or not.

Digiflight II units that still have the magnetometer in them (show HDG in the top left with no GPS signal), are susceptible to this problem. We should have a fix for this very soon and will take care of anyone who has this issue. Thank you all for your patience.
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Old 11-09-2009, 12:23 PM
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thanks lucas for correcting me / updating everyone.

when the dust settles, we'll be sending ours in for the afs&display upgrade.

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Old 11-09-2009, 01:30 PM
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thanks lucas for correcting me / updating everyone.

when the dust settles, we'll be sending ours in for the afs&display upgrade.

rgds,
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If you're sending in to update to the AFS Pilot version, go ahead. There is a fee associated with that but it converts it with the new boards that do not experience this problem. Let me know what you'd like to do. Thanks!
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Old 11-09-2009, 03:32 PM
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I received mine this morning with the updated screen and sure enough is misbehaving? it is climbing about 100 feet and stays there till I remove my finger. I also don't get "GPSV flagged" or "GPSV Armed" any more when I am on a GPS approach. I did two approaches and it followed the vertical guidance only once. Not sure why it did not follow the vertical even though both were exact same approach/altitudes.

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Old 11-09-2009, 03:47 PM
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TT will fix all these bugs fast but it goes to show you that even people that have tons and tons of experience making AP's also have teething pains with new stuff.....
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