Close Call with Terrain Video - Page 4

L.Adamson · #31 10-21-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by N941WR

I suspect we are going to see more of this as more and more planes are equipped with synthetic vision capability. Only the results aren?t going to be so good.

I'm really pro "sythetic vision". I've personally seen the results of too many mountain accidents as well as having studied far too many. This guy seems oblivious to what's actually ahead and to the side. Since rising mountain terrain can be somewhat decieving, especially with partial IMC conditions........... I suppose it will take synthetic vision to provide a better heads up of what's really there.

Yes, there probably will be more risk taking with SV, but it's probably better than all the reasons for flying into rising terrain that exist now.

L.Adamson --- RV6A

N941WR · #32 10-21-2009, 06:04 PM

Larry,

Like you, "I'm really pro 'synthetic vision'." But it is kind of like air bags and antilock brakes in cars. Everyone thought they would be big life savors when they first came out. It turns out that the safer people felt, the more reckless they drove.

With SV, I'm afraid people will take bigger risks when flying and not only are you dependent on receiving a good position from all those satellites you are also dependent that the programmer who developed the SV put the mountains in the same place God did.

That is not to mention what happens to your GPS accuracy when you are in a valley and all of sudden you are down to two or three satellites. I?ve lost satellite reception up at 8500 feet with a clear view of the sky, I can only wonder what it would be like down in a valley. Maybe some of the guys out west who play in the valleys can tell me what happens to their GPS signals.

L.Adamson · #33 10-21-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by N941WR

Larry,

That is not to mention what happens to your GPS accuracy when you are in a valley and all of sudden you are down to two or three satellites. I?ve lost satellite reception up at 8500 feet with a clear view of the sky, I can only wonder what it would be like down in a valley. Maybe some of the guys out west who play in the valleys can tell me what happens to their GPS signals.

I'd have to be in a real skinny valley to loose GPS reception --- I suppose. I say suppose, because I have not lost GPS reception for years. Maybe it's those good Garmins, and a decent antenna location!

However, I sure fly a lot in many mountain locations. Just last week, the Grand Canyon, Sedona Arizona, Lake Powell, Bryce Canyon, & Monument Valley.............as well as all the mountains between there & Salt Lake City.

L.Adamson --- RV6A

N395V · #34 10-21-2009, 09:15 PM

I am having trouble believing that anyone is stupid enough to do this,

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Stupid enough to laugh about it afterwards,

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Stupid enouggh to put he video on You tube afterwards.

No one can be that stupid. This video has to be a fake.

BuckWynd · #35 10-21-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by N395V

No one can be that stupid. This video has to be a fake.

Maybe not. I suspect that the guy holding the video camera is not a pilot, and therefore may not fully realize the magnitude of the buffoonery foisted upon him and the other unsuspecting passengers, and how close he came to having a mountainside waypoint named after him (MORTT intersection.) He probably thinks of it as merely another adventurous experience to share with the world.

I think this is the phenomenon that accounts for 90% of similar YouTube videos. (You know, the ones that make you cringe and say, "Holy ____!" and then forward the video to your friends...)

Let us learn from the videos of the lucky. Like the guy in the back seat of the Bonanza.

sprucemoose · #36 10-22-2009, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by N395V

I am having trouble believing that anyone is stupid enough to do this,

You will never loose money betting on the stupidity of people. I'm very skeptical of Youtube videos, but this one looks genuine to me. I'm prepared to eat crow if I'm wrong.

breister · #37 10-22-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by N395V

No one can be that stupid. This video has to be a fake.

Like my pappy said, "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."

Bugsy · #38 10-22-2009, 05:04 PM

We have a motto in the Human Factors division of the Air Force Safety center.

"To Err is Human...Some are More Human Than Others"

N941WR · #39 10-22-2009, 06:19 PM

What I don't get is why people are upset because that non-pilot passenger posted the footage on da 'net?

Look at the good lesson he has provided us. If that pilot loses his license and one person is saved because of that video, to me that is a very good tradeoff!

Phil · #40 10-22-2009, 08:15 PM

If you read through the comments on youtube, the original poster answers several questions. It kinda hard to sift through the hundreds of comments at this point though.

Here's some of the info I pulled out.

1) Tailnumber N65335

2) The only pilot on the airplane was sitting the left seat. The other passengers were simply along to shoot video of their friend in the L39.

3) After the big event, they returned to the departure airport (Van Nuys).

4) The laughter was described as 'nervous laughter'. He said they were pretty screwed up and couldn't really get a handle on their emotions to understand how to react. So giggling and laughter became their avenue for coping with the experience in the following moments.

5) There is a raw footage tape - that we haven't seen.

6) (I am reading between the lines on this one......) - I believe the video owner notified the FSDO and provided the raw footage of the event. But he is aware of an investigation being conducted by the FAA and I would assume that is where the raw footage exist.

I haven't read his responses today - just been too busy.