N941WR Rebuild Update

[N941WR]

Originally Posted by airguy

... and when I've called ECI directly they simply pointed me to Ameritech Industries (engine builder), who then told me they don't sell kits themselves, only finished engines. ...- where the heck did you get it? Who did you talk to?

Two places, Ameritech Industries and A.E.R.O.

Jesse at AERO 1-800-362-3044
or
Bob Honig at Ameritech/Eagle Engines: 1-800-292-7767

When I spoke to Bob I told him "word on the street" was that they wouldn't sell the kits. He insisted the would be more than happy to sell kits but most of their business is completed engines.

You might want to try Mahlon at Mattituck as well, they might sell a kit engine but I don't really know. The problem the engine builders have with selling a kit is that if something goes wrong because the customer screwed up the assembly is they call the kit seller for tech advice. With these kit engines, I don't see that as an option. I may call them and ask for to buy new parts but not help because I messed up the assembly.

[Brantel]

For engine kits:

http://www.aerosportpower.com/ Sent me many quotes back before I got my engine..

Lots of the other engine builders that ECI list on their website will give you a quote for an engine. I found that they were all really close to each other on price.

[RVnoob]

while we are talking about kit engines...
and you guys are right up there with the knowledge and experience,
let me ask one more question:

when an engine is built, does it has to be dyno'd to verify the power output ?

I would hate to find out at the first flight.

[Sam Buchanan]

Originally Posted by RVnoob

while we are talking about kit engines...
and you guys are right up there with the knowledge and experience,
let me ask one more question:

when an engine is built, does it has to be dyno'd to verify the power output ?

I would hate to find out at the first flight.

You asked if the new engine has to have rated power verified. I'm not familiar with the regs in Canada, but in the USA thousands of engines that received field overhauls over the past sixty years were returned to service for flight without ever being near a dyno.

A Lyco-clone is about as basic an engine as they come. Unless there are gross errors in assembly, there is no reason to believe the engine will not deliver something close to rated power. The professional builders obviously have good reason to use a dyno to verify they have delivered promised product, but the amateur builder should have no reason to be concerned about the output of a carefully constructed kit engine.

You might be interested to know that those of us with fixed-pitch props are launching our RVs with far less than rated power. My RV-6 has an O-320, rated 160hp @2700rpm, but since I only see 2270 rpm at rotation due to the cruise prop, the plane is producing less than 120hp at takeoff. The -6 still performs admirably.

[Mel]

Originally Posted by RVnoob

while we are talking about kit engines...and you guys are right up there with the knowledge and experience,
let me ask one more question:
when an engine is built, does it has to be dyno'd to verify the power output ?
I would hate to find out at the first flight.

You will know pretty close when you do a static run-up. If you don't see close to rated rpm with a constant speed or at least 2100 rpm with a F/P then you should go back and look for a problem.

[Steve]

ECI doesn't sell direct to the end user. You must contact a dealer such as Jesse at AERO-in-Stock at 1-800-362-3044.

[smithhb]

Since Bill's thread has been totally hijacked at this point I might as well add some fuel to the fire.

I bought the ECIO-360 engine from Jesse at AERO and received the kit last August. (Here is my blog on the whole assembly http://www.flightinnovations.com/engine.html). I installed the AFP fuel injection and P-Mag/E-Mag combo.

My first flight was May 7, 2009 and as of yesterday afternoon I had passed 90 hours on the Hobbs. I just flew a nice cross-country from Copperhill, TN to Abilene, TX and back with the wife (here is my APRS track: http://aprs.fi/?call=N16BL&mt=m&z=8&timerange=259200, and the engine has continued to fly superbly.

With the Catto three-blade, full-cruise prop I am able to climb at 1000+ fpm up through 5000' while keeping airspeed around 120 kts. Below 8000' I have to throttle back (to 1/2 throttle) to 2500 rpms in order to be below 75% power. Then I am able to lean for a 9.0 gph fuel burn. Due to the intense headwind westbound, I was only able to see 160 mph but with no wind I normally cruise at 185 mph. I always use Flight Following and the controllers always ask "RV16BL, say type aircraft"?

While much of the credit goes to Vans for the -9 wing design, the ECI engine just purrs along. Bill will be more than tickled when he lifts that puppy off the runway for the first time...

[RVnoob]

you guys are just amazing !

[beechrv9a]

I also plan on the IO360. I have ordered the Whirlwind 200RV CS prop. Still putting the panel parts together.

[airguy]

Originally Posted by N941WR

Two places, Ameritech Industries and A.E.R.O.

Jesse at AERO 1-800-362-3044
or
Bob Honig at Ameritech/Eagle Engines: 1-800-292-7767

When I spoke to Bob I told him "word on the street" was that they wouldn't sell the kits. He insisted the would be more than happy to sell kits but most of their business is completed engines.

You might want to try Mahlon at Mattituck as well, they might sell a kit engine but I don't really know. The problem the engine builders have withe selling a kit is that if something goes wrong because the customer screwed up the assembly is they call the kit seller for tech advice. With these kit engines, I don't see that as an option. I may call them and ask for to buy new parts but not help because I messed up the assembly.

Thanks for the info - I finally got squared away with Ben at AERO and Bob at Ameritech, and I have the pricing info I wanted on the way to me.