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09-18-2009, 07:51 AM
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Trutrak vs Dynon
Can I get a witness for any one flying the new Trutrak EFIS with the AP IV?
How does the two efis's compare in regards to flying ILS operations.
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09-18-2009, 08:01 AM
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Since the Dynon AP currently won't fly the GS on any approach, not sure you can make a comparison here...
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09-18-2009, 10:56 AM
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And the AP IV can't receive any information at all from an ILS receiver, so I'd say we win since we can at least fly the horizontal portion. Even once they do have the ARINC converter, Jeff has been told that they won't do the vertical portion either:
http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...5&postcount=44
He might be asking about the depiction on the EFIS portion, not the AP, but we still win since we can show the CDI and GS from an ILS and they can't yet.
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09-18-2009, 03:42 PM
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Please read my updated post as I believe Jeff made his post before we spoke on the phone today.
The AP IV WILL display and WILL (not quite yet though) fly a coupled approach. As soon as the ARINC module is finished, all EFIS models will be able to display VOR/LOC info. Also, the EFIS does currently support serial interface to an SL30 for VOR/LOC display.
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09-18-2009, 03:59 PM
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Looks like Dynon better get moving......AP76 anyone?
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09-18-2009, 05:55 PM
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Wow I got four Emails today from people with a beef about Dynon dropping support for the AP76. Normally I would blow that off but coming off a bad purchase of a Blue Mountain EFIS I feel their pain. Planning a panel and purchasing a product with the expressed idea that a particular product will soon follow then finding out later that it was only vaporware really sucks!
I HAVE BEEN THERE!
Dynon you lose real credibility with me and future customers if you do not follow through with promises of product delivery.
If you promised a product would come out and sold systems based on that promise then you should make good. Have you not learned from Blue Mountain?
Do not misunderstand... I think Dynon makes some great products and the customer support is good but unless they get this straightened out I'm kicking them off the island.
Sorry for the rant but I am taking it in the shorts for just this thing....
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09-18-2009, 07:26 PM
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Look in the Mirror Vaporware Buyers
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Originally Posted by jeff beckley
Wow I got four Emails today from people with a beef about Dynon dropping support for the AP76. Normally I would blow that off but coming off a bad purchase of a Blue Mountain EFIS I feel their pain. Planning a panel and purchasing a product with the expressed idea that a particular product will soon follow then finding out later that it was only vaporware really sucks!
I HAVE BEEN THERE!
Dynon you lose real credibility with me and future customers if you do not follow through with promises of product delivery.
If you promised a product would come out and sold systems based on that promise then you should make good. Have you not learned from Blue Mountain?
Do not misunderstand... I think Dynon makes some great products and the customer support is good but unless they get this straightened out I'm kicking them off the island.
Sorry for the rant but I am taking it in the shorts for just this thing....
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Dynon is a very solid supplier, don't blame them. Garmin, AFS, and GRT have all had upcoming model delays and or changes.
I take issue with people who plan their panels around "upcoming" products. These modern avionics products are complex and need lots of debugging. One little component sourcing issue can cause major delays. Delays and product line reshuffles are part of the game.
From the get-a-clue department:
Wait until the product is actually shipping before you plan your panel around it.
Hans
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09-18-2009, 08:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nucleus
Dynon is a very solid supplier, don't blame them. Garmin, AFS, and GRT have all had upcoming model delays and or changes.
I take issue with people who plan their panels around "upcoming" products.
Wait until the product is actually shipping before you plan your panel around it.
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I see... You would rather blame the customer for believing what the supplier promises rather than holding the supplier feet to the fire. That"s rich!
I know Dynon is a solid supplier and I hope they stay that way.
I know delays happen but where has Dynon posted that they intend to go ahead with the AP76? I just read "on hold" and when asked directly on this board I see no reply's from Dynon that it is still in the works. Makes me think that it will never come out.
I am not trying to bash Dynon but hope to educate them that promises are taken very seriously. Some of us invest a ton of time and money based on faith from the words of the suppliers.
But you think we are stupid for believing them. You might be right..
You said not to blame Dynon because Garmin, AFS, GRT has had delays but the difference is that they all delivered everything they promised. I fully expect Dynon will do the same.
Blue Mountain set the lower limits on customer service. I would rather deal with the IRS than deal with them again. I hope no other supplier ever gets that close again.
Dynon needs to identify the customers that are impacted by the change and work to resolve their loses or make a statement that the AP76 is delayed but rest assured will be delivered. Until then I will hold reservations.
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09-18-2009, 09:47 PM
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 Thanks for the lesson on life DOC, but the reality is that the technological world runs on what you call vaporware and promises. The computer you typed that on was created based on someone's promise that software would be there in the future to control it. Manufacturers all over the world tool up to build components for larger assemblies that are promised to be produced. etc. etc.
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Originally Posted by nucleus
From the get-a-clue department:
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09-18-2009, 09:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeff beckley
I would rather deal with the IRS than deal with them again.
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No.. you wouldn't...
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