Transition Training

newtech · #1 06-03-2009, 12:03 PM

My insurance company, AIG, wants five hours dual in model and type to cover me on the first flight of N14SE an RV-7A. I spent three hours this past weekend with Pierre Smith running around the pattern in his beautiful RV-6A; which, by the way, is configured exactly like mine. Same engine, prop and gauges. My agent, Travers, went back to AIG to get a quote to update my policy from building to flying. Long story short, they weren't happy that my transition training was in an RV-6A and not an RV-7A. They agreed to accept the three hours but want the remaining two in an RV-7A.

Anyone else run into this? I thought a 6A and 7A were interchangeable for transition training. Especially with the exact same engine, prop and instruments. Oh well, will have to scout out an RV-7A somewhere in the Midwest.

zspivey · #2 06-03-2009, 12:28 PM

When we purchased insurance for the 8A, Nationwide, an insurance broker, required 5 hours in an "A" model RV. I got 5 in an RV9A. That was acceptable.
In this case, AIG was also the insurance company.

Sid Lambert · #3 06-03-2009, 12:37 PM

I think maybe you have an underwriter that doesn't understand the RV series. Maybe ask your broker to get with the underwriter on this.

647jc · #4 06-03-2009, 12:45 PM

Jim Delveau in Des Moines (Ankeny actually - IKV) offers transition training in his RV6 and also has access to a 7A for tri-gear training.

He can be reached at jdelveau at msn dot com.

Jim provided me transition training in the RV7-A he has access to which met the requirements of my Nationwide insurance of 5 hours training in similar type RV-A aircraft. My aircraft is an RV9-A but that was not a problem for Nationwide and was not a problem for me when it came time for me to fly my RV9-A.

allbee · #5 06-03-2009, 12:46 PM

I went with falcon. I only did 3.2 hrs in the RV6A last august. When I called a couple weeks ago I mentioned that I only needed 3.2 hrs and that I had in the last year 300hrs in a kitfox tail wheel, which flew very close to the RV, my guy said, 3 hrs is good enough, happy flying. Try calling falcon. Also, I pointed out that the RV6A is the only aircraft in my area that is approved by the FAA for doing training. That was good enough for falcon.

Bob Brown · #6 06-03-2009, 12:50 PM

That's interesting. I have my insurance with the same carrier, and they were fine with me doing my transition training with Mike Seager in the company RV-6A. In fact, Van's doesnt have an RV7A to do transition training in, only a 6A or a 7...
I guess times change, but (IMHO) a 6A (or a 6) is a more sensitive plane to fly than a 7...you'd think they'd be happy with transition training in a 6 if you're going to fly a 7.

Paraphrasing Monty Python, "is there anyone else you can talk to?"

jestes · #7 06-03-2009, 01:45 PM

Steve,
I deal with AIG everyday for RV's and they will accept RV-6A training for the RV-7A, as Sid stated it sounds like the underwriter may be confused. I would have your broker contact them again and try to get this resolved. Depending on your total pilot hours there's a good chance that AIG would even accept the 3 hours of dual you've already got with Pierre in lieu of the 5 hours they required.

Regards,

Jenny Estes
NationAir Aviation Insurance
877-475-5860

ericwolf · #8 06-03-2009, 01:45 PM

Gee I hope that your transition aircraft is painted the same color as yours as well. I got transition training through Mike Seager in the RV-6A and insurance from Nationair through Global Aerospace. They required 5 hours in any RV-A model. I have an -8A. I'm surprised some insurance companies still haven't figured out that and RV-6A is virtually identical to the RV-7A and flies the same as an RV-8A.

Michael Seager · #9 06-03-2009, 01:53 PM

If you could have your insurance agent call me I will try to straighten them out on this. I have been doing this for 17 years and all insurance companies that i know of have always accepted the 6A for all A model Rvs. Thanks for reponding Jenny. Mike

Michael Seager
Vans transition trainer for 17 years
536 1st ave
Vernonia Oregon 97064

503 429 5103

N941WR · #10 06-03-2009, 02:11 PM

Steve,

Keep talking to your insurance company. Mine wanted 3 hours in an RV-9 and with the very limited of RV-9's flying, that wasn't going to happen. After a long discussion they eventually said I could do the time in any side-by-side taildragger RV.

Also, did they want dual or time in type? There is a big difference. My insurance company wanted time in type so I flew with a friend who is not a CFI.