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Old 03-10-2009, 02:13 PM
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Default Others to consider

Paul, here's some other area airports to consider:

Frederick, MD (FDK) - AOPA's HQ is on the field, rental cars available,
restaurant on the field, outside the ADIZ to the NE
(but not far... study charts carefully), about an hour's
drive to the museum. Busy, with gliders, students, biz jets,
and helicopter training at the airport. Head on a swivel!

Winchester, VA (OKV) - very friendly FBO, also (well) outside the ADIZ to the
west, probably about an hour drive to the museum.

Martinsburg, WV (MRB) - towered, outside the ADIZ to the
NW, probably about 1.5 hours out by car. It's also a WV
Air National Guard base, with C-130's and C-5's on the field

Leesburg, VA (JYO) - Underneath the ADIZ footprint, but there's
a special section in the ADIZ procedure that addresses in/out
procedures. Probably about 45 minutes by car from the museum.

Car parking at the museum is $12, but admission is free. Also consider
going to the original museum in downtown DC - still lots of cool stuff
there. There are shuttles from IAD that connect with the metro
(subway) into downtown DC.

Flying into IAD and parking at the museum would be
_very_ cool, though

PM me if you'd like more info.

P.S. If you're going to fly into the ADIZ, make sure you really
understand it... TSA has no sense of humor for violators
and violations make life harder for us locals. It's not that
hard or complex, just a bit different for most folks if they haven't
experienced it. Attaboy on taking the training.

-dpp
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Old 03-10-2009, 03:02 PM
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I just moved to VA and have been considering doing this myself....the comments I read on Airnav and AOPA about Dulles were all positive. I think it is pretty common.

Please post your experience.
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Old 03-10-2009, 06:09 PM
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In my day job, flying corporate aircraft, Signature has been the FBO that everyone loved to hate, with high ramp fees and higher, outrageous fuel prices. Lately, they've figured out that they need to compete and have turned over a new leaf. Most that I've encountered lately are more customer service oriented with some locations advertising fuel that's the "cheapest on the field." Hopefully, the Dulles location is with the new program.
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Old 03-10-2009, 06:34 PM
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As far as operating in the ADIZ, I've found that if you are operating VFR, having a GPS is crucial to staying out of trouble. A current Baltimore-Washington TAC isn't good enough for me to pinpoint my location. If you go in IFR, it's like the red carpet is rolled out for you, which is great, but has caused me to accept some rather circuitous routing. There's no directive to "remain clear of the Class B". Speaking of the Class B, last weekend, I requested and was granted clearance through the Class B while operating VFR. Potomac Approach was more cooperative than they appear to be at first blush.

I haven't been bitten by the ADIZ rules, but it seems the biggest cause for violations is squawking 1200 or having your transponder on standby, so I have come to just leave it on ALL the time. There's a greater penalty to be paid if you're not squawking the correct code when you should be versus squawking when you don't need to be.
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Old 03-10-2009, 06:48 PM
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...There's a greater penalty to be paid if you're not squawking the correct code when you should be versus squawking when you don't need to be.
We who have transponders are obliged by rule to squawk all the time we are in controlled airspace (that is virtually all the time).

(c) Transponder-on operation. While in the airspace as specified in paragraph (b) of this section or in all controlled airspace, each person operating an aircraft equipped with an operable ATC transponder maintained in accordance with Sec. 91.413 of this part shall operate the transponder, including Mode C equipment if installed, and shall reply on the appropriate code or as assigned by ATC. (from far 91.215)

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Old 03-10-2009, 10:33 PM
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We who have transponders are obliged by rule to squawk all the time we are in controlled airspace (that is virtually all the time).

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Except when you're on the ground.

My procedures of keeping it on ALL the time includes ground operations. First, because it helps avoid not turning it on prior to takeoff, and Second, because many larger airports, Memphis comes to mind, and others, use it to keep track of aircraft on the ground.
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Old 03-11-2009, 05:00 AM
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Default Easy Decision

Pick Manassas. Fuel there is $2/gal less and probably a lot less in ramp, parking, and overnight fees. Flying to and being able to park at Udvar Hazey would be exciting but probably best as a day trip flight out of Manassas. If anyone finds out if that is possible let us know. Sounds like your friend is providing the transportation so be sure he takes you down town or at least to the Metro so you can also visit the Air & Space Museum in DC and be sure you have enough time for an IMAX movie (Fighter Pilot) while you are there.
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:19 AM
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Default No Longer an ADIZ now a SFRA

Living under and operating in / out of the new Washington (DC) SFRA (f/k/a ADIZ) for the past 8 years, I recommend that extreme care be taken in your planning. First, if you fly within 30 nm of the SFRA, you must have taken the FAA SFRA mandatory course referred to in a previous message.

If you want to avoid filing IFR, the closest "almost" VFR airport is Lessburg, VA - KJYO. I say almost VFR because you must file a SFRA flight plan from one of the entry fixes (JASEN or LUCKE) and squawk 1227 in-bound (or 1226 outbound from the airport) from the fix to KJYO. If you have filed and squawk properly there is no need to talk to ATC.

Leesburg is really only about 20 mins. from your museum destination (depending on whether you take the toll road or the regular road) and is very GA / RV friendly. Do not fail to comply with the FAA (TSA / DHS) requirements, however, as many people have had license suspensions and other bad things happen.

Send me a PM if you would like more information.
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Old 03-11-2009, 11:47 AM
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Thanks for the replies though I was not looking for what was required or all the bad things that could happen flying into the DC area. Rosie
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