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02-27-2009, 10:31 AM
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Livermore, CA
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Originally Posted by kevinh
So I have a kindle 2 now, so I can do a test for ya'll. Can someone point me at a PDF to use as a test case?
btw: **** this thing is cool :-)
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Kevin, try this one....
http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0903/00271G28L.PDF
I am curious how it will handle all the shading.
Here's another one that is a little less complex...
http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0903/06075I25R.PDF
THANKS!!!
Last edited by RV7Factory : 02-27-2009 at 10:33 AM.
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02-27-2009, 01:44 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: San Mateo, CA
Posts: 1,419
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Originally Posted by RV7Factory
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Okay - Just sent em to my device, unfortunately I left it at home. When I get home I'll let you know how they look (if promising I'll even include photos)
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02-27-2009, 04:24 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Corvallis Oregon
Posts: 3,547
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I can hardly contain myself
Still not sure of the legality of totally replacing paper plates with a Kindle but if it works I'll do it.
Then again i fly in IMC with a 1 month old GPS database..Thats cus my home airport has an ILS...and that makes it legal..
Frank
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02-27-2009, 10:26 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: San Mateo, CA
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Initial kindle experiment results
Hi ya'll,
So I wanted to report back: I tried using amazon's PDF converter on the plates Brad provided. Alas - no joy. The text came across but no graphics.
Over the weekend I'll try one of the free 3rd party converter services and post an update, but the 'just drop it in' attempt didn't work out.
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02-28-2009, 10:21 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Corvallis Oregon
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We're rooting for ya Kev..
Anything to get away from the dastardly subscription services..
Frank
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02-28-2009, 02:18 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 28
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Tablet navigation
Greetings all. I finally feel compelled to post to a VAF forum, mainly because I'm very interested in the general theme you fellows are discussing; getting rid of paper charts and compiling all necessary nav materials in one handy and accessible place. The idea of a tablet sized display, like the Kindle or Sony readers which can really only handle a non-moving approach plate, seems to fall a bit short of what's possible, even if the NACO charts are free, they're not geo-referenced.
Having done some little bit of research myself, I'm seeing a really strong potential for a reasonable hardware/software solution that would provide moving-map, geo-referenced sectionals, low and high-alt charts, and all the approach plates in CONUS, for around $400 a year, plus the cost of the hardware. The hardware is up to you, but it appears there are solutions which would not be difficult to build, and install, with a first rate, daylight-readable, touch screen (10.4" diagonal), and with a 12V CPU, for around $1K, + or - a couple of hundred. The best software solution looks, to me, like FlightPrep ( www.flightprep.com). If there's a better bang for the buck out there, I'd sure be happy to know about it.
I've been in touch with a gent who has put something like that together for himself, and feels it really accomplishes his goals. If there's any interest among the VAF in building from what he's already managed to put together, perhaps he'd be willing to pass some of his thoughts on to this group.
From my point of view, a complete package that provides geo-ref sectionals, that can be changed to low alt charts (or approach plates) by simply touching the screen, while showing my airplane position on the chart, in color, beats all sorts of shades of gray.
Regards to all. It's great reading all the posts.
Chip
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03-01-2009, 12:37 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 1,231
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Originally Posted by Chip
Greetings all. I finally feel compelled to post to a VAF forum, mainly because I'm very interested in the general theme you fellows are discussing; getting rid of paper charts and compiling all necessary nav materials in one handy and accessible place. The idea of a tablet sized display, like the Kindle or Sony readers which can really only handle a non-moving approach plate, seems to fall a bit short of what's possible, even if the NACO charts are free, they're not geo-referenced.
Having done some little bit of research myself, I'm seeing a really strong potential for a reasonable hardware/software solution that would provide moving-map, geo-referenced sectionals, low and high-alt charts, and all the approach plates in CONUS, for around $400 a year, plus the cost of the hardware. The hardware is up to you, but it appears there are solutions which would not be difficult to build, and install, with a first rate, daylight-readable, touch screen (10.4" diagonal), and with a 12V CPU, for around $1K, + or - a couple of hundred. The best software solution looks, to me, like FlightPrep ( www.flightprep.com). If there's a better bang for the buck out there, I'd sure be happy to know about it.
I've been in touch with a gent who has put something like that together for himself, and feels it really accomplishes his goals. If there's any interest among the VAF in building from what he's already managed to put together, perhaps he'd be willing to pass some of his thoughts on to this group.
From my point of view, a complete package that provides geo-ref sectionals, that can be changed to low alt charts (or approach plates) by simply touching the screen, while showing my airplane position on the chart, in color, beats all sorts of shades of gray.
Regards to all. It's great reading all the posts.
Chip
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Hi Chip,
There is already a product which pretty much does this called Anywhere Map (and Anywhere Charts). But, we're all for competition - please dive in if you have a better idea!
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03-01-2009, 02:29 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Portland, OR
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So I've seen the Sony 505 reader in action, and it seems useful as is (once you get all plates on there!).
Just wondering if anyone has tried updating the display more often - say for instance trying to update a moving dot once a second on a static background, how well does that display ?
It would be interesting to try to geo-reference approach plates for situational awareness (yes, I know they are not geo-referenced from NACO, but since there are products that do show geo-referenced plates I guess it is possible to at least show approximately where you are ?).
But if the current state of the E-Ink displays are not even capable of 1 second refresh rates it kinda of falls apart right there...
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03-01-2009, 03:27 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA
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E-ink won't make it for geo-referenced moving map overlay. Too slow.
Color Tablets will be the long-term answer. I just bought a used Compaq TC1100 (10" screen) for under $300. Biggest concern is that it won't be readable in sunlight, but I will be posting back on that when I get a chance to fly in sunlight with it.
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03-01-2009, 04:32 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 102
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Originally Posted by breister
E-ink won't make it for geo-referenced moving map overlay. Too slow.
Color Tablets will be the long-term answer. I just bought a used Compaq TC1100 (10" screen) for under $300. Biggest concern is that it won't be readable in sunlight, but I will be posting back on that when I get a chance to fly in sunlight with it.
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Bummer. I like the crisp and very readable displays of E-Ink.. Maybe their speed will improve over time ?
Very few laptops/tablets have good enough displays to be viewable in sun-light, but if you are able to position it right maybe it will work out ? (or try a glare shield ?)
Definitely report back how well the TC1100 works out for you!
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Last edited by glider : 03-01-2009 at 04:35 PM.
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