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02-05-2009, 05:13 PM
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unqualified unfluencer
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Test has been done....
...by Larry Vetterman (before he did his cowl mod thingy). He emailed me that he has all the data on the two props and will write something up next week (or so).
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02-05-2009, 05:47 PM
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Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
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All right then, I guess Scott and I will just have to compare home brew beers then! 
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02-05-2009, 06:56 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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Hartzell 7496 is the most efficient
Hartzell 7496 is the most efficient of the blades available from Hartzell based on charts provided to me by Hartzell engineering but they may not be available anymore. This was the original configuration blended airfoil for the 360s in RVs. The "97" is supposed to be thicker and drops off more rapidly after the peak than the "96" but both are far superior to the old Hartzell 7666 blades. I intend to search for some new "96" blades when I replace my 72" 7666 blades. Since you are looking for a direct compare with the "97" blades this information probably doesn't mean much but my response is triggered by the comments on Robbie Attaway's change to his very fast RV-6. For that compare to have value you have to know which Hartzell blades he started with.
Bob Axsom
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02-06-2009, 10:20 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 937
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Axsom
Hartzell 7496 is the most efficient of the blades available from Hartzell based on charts provided to me by Hartzell engineering but they may not be available anymore. This was the original configuration blended airfoil for the 360s in RVs. The "97" is supposed to be thicker and drops off more rapidly after the peak than the "96" but both are far superior to the old Hartzell 7666 blades. I intend to search for some new "96" blades when I replace my 72" 7666 blades. Since you are looking for a direct compare with the "97" blades this information probably doesn't mean much but my response is triggered by the comments on Robbie Attaway's change to his very fast RV-6. For that compare to have value you have to know which Hartzell blades he started with.
Bob Axsom
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Bob, care to post these charts? When you say "they may not be available anymore" - do you mean the charts or the blades?
Are you saying that you believe the 7496s are more efficient than the 7497s? Or was this statement made prior to the advent of the 7497s?
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All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men? for they may act their dream with open eyes, to make it possible. -T.E. Lawrence
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02-06-2009, 10:27 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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I wish I could
I wish I could but the the conditions under which they were provided to me prohibit sharing them.
Bob Axsom
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02-06-2009, 10:44 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA
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This will be a terrific real-world comparison.
If I could make any suggestion, it would be this (presumes both aircraft have fuel flow readouts):
On the comparison runs, run several RPM/MP/FF combos to insure that speed for prop a/b is measured at consistent power. Plan these out before the runs and use a checklist (boring, but more scientific!).
Looking forward to the results!
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02-06-2009, 10:56 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Belgium
Posts: 645
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MT
The 2 blade MT ($ 7.700,- at Van's) has a TBO of 1.000 hrs or 6 years, but the overhaul costs EUR 1.850,- (approx. $ 2.400,-) and takes 4 weeks plus shipping time. Also there is an RPM limitation between 2.050 and 2.300 RPM. That is why I am now thinking of getting the Whirlwind. Whirlwind 200RV is 3 lb heaver than the MT though.
Regards, Tonny.
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Tonny Tromp
Lanaken, Belgium (EU)
RV9A, Registration: PH-VAN
ECI-Titan IOX-320 with dual EI, turning a Whirlwind 200RV CS prop.
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02-06-2009, 04:07 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: TN
Posts: 183
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on an RV9A with IO-320?
According to the whirlwind website, the 200RV is for O360's and up. I'd be interested if it is appropriate to the 9A.
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RV-9A Flying - sold
4 pl Bearhawk - flying ("sold" to the insurance company)
RV-14A - finishing up
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East Tennessee/SW Virginia
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02-06-2009, 05:09 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: TN
Posts: 183
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mt prop govenor?
Also, can you definately not use the Van's supplied MT govenor with the whirlwind props? I'm thinking I like th 151 series for my 9A.
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Greg Marlow
RV-9A Flying - sold
4 pl Bearhawk - flying ("sold" to the insurance company)
RV-14A - finishing up
Dues gladly paid
East Tennessee/SW Virginia
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02-07-2009, 03:14 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Belgium
Posts: 645
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200RV is good for O-320 and O-360
Greg,
I spoke to Greg at Whirwind, the 200RV is for the O-320 and O-360. No restructions on either engine, including FI and El. Ign. It works with the Van's MT governor.
The TBO is actually 650 hrs. or 5 years and can be done by a Mc. Cauley propeller shop (if they want to work on an experimental propeller ofcourse), because its hub is similar/the same.
The 3 bladed 151, has a TBO of 350 hrs or 5 years. It is a few knots slower but performs a bit better in climb (according to Whirwind!) This one needs the pressure setting to be much higher than the standard MT governor, but maybe the governor can handle it and just needs to be set at the higher pressure. Give Whirwind a call, they maybe able to advise on this.
I am still waiting for the shipping quote, that I requested through the American Propeller website. Did others get a quick response, or is it better to call them?
Regards, Tonny
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"Pilottonny"
Tonny Tromp
Lanaken, Belgium (EU)
RV9A, Registration: PH-VAN
ECI-Titan IOX-320 with dual EI, turning a Whirlwind 200RV CS prop.
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