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Old 01-23-2009, 09:08 AM
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It seems to me that Aspen Avionics has cracked it. Their PFD/MFD combo is certified and covers almost all of the planes currently flying under 6000#. Now they are slowly moving up the ladder to some of the business twins. My only point is that Garmin has to realize that at $30K the G600 is non-competitive for most retrofits.

On another note, ANN is stating that the full price of the 375 with PFD capabilities will be $10K which amazingly enough is right in line with Aspen's pricing.
I agree. The Aspen PFD at $10,000 have been selling like hotcakes for certified aircraft while G600 sales have been lackluster. There are a lot of certified aircraft owners that want the benefits of EFIS but are not willing to put $40K in avionics in a 30 year old aircraft worth $60K before the additions.

If Garmin decides to certify the G3X for (GDU375@$3,995 & G3X kit@$9,995) $14K list, some Aspen wannabes may go this route due to the Garmin name and the larger screen. Add the second screen for $3295 and you have most of the capability G600. Not a drop in replacement for steam gauges, like the Aspen but certainly compelling.
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Old 01-23-2009, 06:57 PM
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Regardless of Garmin's price or features, I think it's good news. If Gamin is making investments in the experimental market, that means they believe there is market share that is available. That is good news to all EFIS vendors.
It may be good news for you but I believe you're dreaming if you think any of the existing experimental EFIS manufacturers will be jumping up and down with excitement about Garmin entering this market. It's already a low volume but very congested commercial environment.

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The good news for us consumers is that the other vendors are going to have to start accelerating delivery of new features to stay one step ahead of Garmin.
Most of the existing experimental EFIS manufacturers are very small companies with limited capital and staff. Personally I doubt that any of them have the resources to run any faster (in terms of product development) than they are right now.

These companies will, for the most part, be financially brittle and the big danger now with increased competition in a rapidly declining economy is that one or more of them might just evaporate altogether. God knows we don't want to be left with nothing but Garmin because we all know where that leads.
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Old 01-24-2009, 06:39 AM
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It may be good news for you but I believe you're dreaming if you think any of the existing experimental EFIS manufacturers will be jumping up and down with excitement about Garmin entering this market. It's already a low volume but very congested commercial environment.
Exactly! This is the motivation that will truly drive the EFIS vendors. They either compete or eventually yield market share.

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Most of the existing experimental EFIS manufacturers are very small companies with limited capital and staff. Personally I doubt that any of them have the resources to run any faster (in terms of product development) than they are right now.

These companies will, for the most part, be financially brittle and the big danger now with increased competition in a rapidly declining economy is that one or more of them might just evaporate altogether. God knows we don't want to be left with nothing but Garmin because we all know where that leads.
Agreed, but I also believe that being small is also a good thing. Most of the EFIS vendors are driven by very talented engineers. By becoming more inovated than Garmin will keep them in business. Also, by being small allows them to be more nimble.

Todd, Rob, and Raineer have done a great job bringing new features to their respective platforms this past year. Let's hope that none of them fall asleep at the wheel and become casualties of Garmin entering the market.

Garmin entering the market also doesn't guarantee sucess for them either. Look at some of their other products they brought to market the last year or so. All companies need to continue providing great values at a great prices. Those that don't won't survive. Garmin probably does have deep enough pockets to buy market share, but history has shown that Garmin has never competed by being the low cost provider.

I'm more of the "glass is half full" type, so I believe that competition will drive inovation and enhanced EFIS features.
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Old 01-25-2009, 08:13 PM
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I’m new to VAF community and am thoroughly enjoying becoming educated on Van RVs. I’ve recently sold a Garmin G1000 equipped turbo Cessna 182T and have become Van crazy. I plan on starting to build or buying a Van RV7A later this year (after Oshkosh, if I can make it that long). I am proficient in G1000 IFR flying and have also been contemplating how to equip a Van RV for IFR flight.

My favorite IFR set up so far is the new generation Dynon. It was announced at Oshkosh 2008 with plans to be available in 2009. It is similar to the Garmin G1000 in that most the components including the GPS receiver, Nav, radios, transponder, etc. are located remotely. If Dynon can price the integrated system similar to building an equivalent system with various currently offered Dynon products, it will be a great value.

These new Garmin products discussed here sound great too.

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Old 01-26-2009, 05:57 AM
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Exactly! This is the motivation that will truly drive the EFIS vendors. They either compete or eventually yield market share.
Garmin's system has been anticipated for a while so I don't think you will see much panic amongst us.
It is my prediction that Garmin is going to bring out another system some time in the near future at about 1/2 the price of this one (G2XX ???).

Yes, we will compete. We're in it for the fun. It's just gotten funnier...

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Old 01-29-2009, 05:26 PM
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I predict Garmin will come out eventually with a one piece unit that has a 696ish screen, an enclosed transponder and an enclosed radio. The indicator would be on the screen and the xpdr would incorporate the G1000 style controls..... snap in.... snap out.... and a secondary screen with a connector to link it if you want. It will of course have a card slot in the front. What sayeth the crystal ball? (It will have TCAS and reversion controls as well)
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Old 01-29-2009, 09:15 PM
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now convert it to NZ$ at a rate of 0.52!!! Maybe the mark 1 eyeball, paper charts and a wet finger'll just have to do
I'm hearing you buddy! Even my planned AFS-based panel is starting to look further away each day
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Old 02-04-2009, 08:52 AM
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Hey Stein,
Any info on 370/375/G3X interfaces and/or integration with external radios and autopilots?
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