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01-22-2009, 07:59 AM
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Stein, do you think this will turn the EFIS market upside down?
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01-22-2009, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Lycosaurus
"Customers seeking to expand their GDU 370 or GDU 375 to a full G3X system, may purchase the G3X PFD kit that includes an ADAHRS and EIS, magnetometer and temperature probe, when available, that is preliminarily priced at $9,995.00"
Definitely competition to GRT, Dynon, AFS etc., though at the high end of the price spectrum (an equivalent Dynon/Avmap combination comes in at about 1/2 the price quoted).
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Which makes you wonder... "why?", and makes Dynon and MGL products look all that much better. But then I've always felt that Garmin was overpriced. As a side note... I'm cheering for Lowrance to pull out an updated tablet style GPS.
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01-22-2009, 08:35 AM
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Interesting. If you price a standard size GRT HX with engine monitor and a GPSMAP696, you come in at about the same price ($9.5K). I think the vertical orientation of the screen will limit what they can do with the unit as an EFIS.
Not sure at this point whether it changes any of my buying decisions.
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01-22-2009, 09:02 AM
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I'll start by saying that obviously this won't be for everyone, so if it's out of your budget let's not flame and complain about it or slam the mfgr for where they priced their unit. I can certainly empathize with that position, but I realized long ago with many things in life that it is what it is. For example, I like BMW's and wish I had one, but I drive a Dodge because it's all I can afford. I don't slam BMW for selling their cars at the prices they do because maybe someday somehow I will be able to get one.
Now that we've got that out, I can say that Garmin has spent a fair amount of time on this project and this isn't a case where we are getting a second hand marine unit or something or a "hand me down" from another product line. This is another unit aimed specifically at us - homebuilders - and should speak at the very least to the fact that Garmin is paying attention to this market. The 240 Audio panel was/is also a unit aimed only at us. I guess what I'm trying to say is that people should realize that Garmin is no longer ignoring this market. So, it may cost more than some of us like, the premium does include more than paying for a logo.
I think it'll be interesting to watch the development and growth of this line of products. We don't even know where the end pricing will be for an all out installed system, but Garmin did do a fair amount of research on that subject as well. It will be higher priced that some of the competition no doubt, but when the dust settles it might not be as bad as some are making it out to be. It's going to be a little bit of time before we can do an actual apples/apples comparision to tell where it falls with competing products, but I'm betting the overall "big picture" of it in an entire panel won't be as bad as you think.
My 2 cents for now!
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01-22-2009, 10:26 AM
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Regardless of Garmin's price or features, I think it's good news. If Gamin is making investments in the experimental market, that means they believe there is market share that is available. That is good news to all EFIS vendors.
The good news for us consumers is that the other vendors are going to have to start accelerating delivery of new features to stay one step ahead of Garmin.
It is certainly going to be an interesting year.
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01-22-2009, 10:35 AM
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Panel Mounted 696?
So, feature wise, the GDU 375 is a purpose built panel mount 696 but with the ability to do full EFIS/EMS in the future? In other words, in it's current form, does it do everything the 696 does?
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01-22-2009, 10:55 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by f1rocket
Interesting. If you price a standard size GRT HX with engine monitor and a GPSMAP696, you come in at about the same price ($9.5K). I think the vertical orientation of the screen will limit what they can do with the unit as an EFIS.
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Umm, the way I read that is that the 10k is just for the AHRS and EIS modules that you add to a display - "Customers seeking to expand their GDU 370 or GDU 375 to a full G3X system, may purchase the G3X PFD kit that includes an ADAHRS and EIS, magnetometer and temperature probe, when available, that is preliminarily priced at $9,995.00." So, for a single AHRS, single display, XM WX and EIS package, that's about $15k. A 2 display package is going to be $18k and change.
They're aiming this at the EXP and LSA markets. One has to wonder why you'd want that kind of glass integration in LSA, which are (currently) limited to VFR. That's a lot of money for VFR avionics. If you really want a dual-screen EFIS for VFR, why not go for GRT Sport or Dynon?
At the moment, the best part seems to be the easy mounting system (more a traditional panel mount) and the future expansion. For LSA, the EIS function is more important than the AHRS / EFIS function IMHO.
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01-22-2009, 11:08 AM
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Yep, you're right. I didn't read it that carefully. Makes my decision to stick with GRT even more correct.
You raise an excellent point. My guess is that everything is coming out with glass nowadays and they probably figure that if they want to sell any of the LSAs, they are going to need that "modern" look and feel.
If they turn one of these into an EFIS unit, they are going to have to design a user interface that's totally different from everything else out there today because of the vertical versus horizontal orientation. I'm sure they can do it though. I agree that their entry into the experimental marketplace is good for competition and good for us in general as long as they don't do the same thing that they did to Apollo.
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01-22-2009, 12:05 PM
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aimed at Aspen
It seems that this might be the spinoff of a certified program. The Aspen Avionics PFD/MFD has appeared to have had quite a bit of success in its initial full year in the market. The interoperability info on the new Garmin made me feel like I was reading an Aspen brochure. All of this is good for GA.
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01-22-2009, 12:12 PM
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I think that one of the most interesting things about this new line for Garmin is that they clearly recognize that there is a market in our general price range. Yea, I agree, this is still considerably more expensive that GRT, but it is a WHOLE lot lower than when they announced that you could buy a G600 system for your experimental for what, $60,000?!
The moving map/database capability of the 696 is unbeatable by any of the current manufacturers stuff that I have used, and having it in a panel mount is pretty cool. Yes, their intended price for the AHRS/PFD is still out of my personal price range, and they also have to work on an engine/system monitor package to be fully integrated. But the fact is, they are finally moving in the right direction. The brightness and clarity of the display is certainly outstanding, and their software design and feature set is quite deep.
This certainly would be an option for someone starting a clean sheet design - at least (for now) in the mapping function category.
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