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Old 12-12-2008, 06:22 PM
rv699jb rv699jb is offline
 
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Smile Don't leave home without um...

No legal requirement to have a flashlight on board at all (Part 91), let alone one with two D size batteries.

if you believe that:

No legal requirement to have any landing lights on the aircraft at all to land at night (Part 91/non commercial).

if you believe that:

No need to have a whisky compass either, because it isn't required by the F.A.R.'s....

but, it might be smart to not leave home without um....

:-)
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Old 12-12-2008, 08:14 PM
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No legal

if you believe that:

No need to have a whisky compass either, because it isn't required by the F.A.R.'s....

:-)
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Yes but our operating limitations require us to meet the requirements of FAR 91 which says...

(a) General. Except as provided in paragraphs (c)(3) and (e) of this section, no person may operate a powered civil aircraft with a standard category U.S. airworthiness certificate in any operation described in paragraphs (b) through (f) of this section unless that aircraft contains the instruments and equipment specified in those paragraphs (or FAA-approved equivalents) for that type of operation, and those instruments and items of equipment are in operable condition.

(b) Visual-flight rules (day). For VFR flight during the day, the following instruments and equipment are required:

(1) Airspeed indicator.

(2) Altimeter.

(3) Magnetic direction indicator.

<remainder sniped out>

It doesn't require a whiskey (wet compass) but it does require a mag heading indicator. We get to choose...EFIS, mag compass, floating needle in a cork, etc.

As far as flashlights go, I have started carrying one of the LED lights with the hand crank dyno on it. So I am never stuck with dead batteries. Now if I could just find one with a head band.

Hey Jim,
How are you and Vicky doing?
We hope all is well.
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Old 12-12-2008, 10:19 PM
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Default splitting hairs...

Scott quoted: (a) General. Except as provided in paragraphs (c)(3) and (e) of this section, no person may operate a powered civil aircraft with a standard category U.S. airworthiness certificate in any operation described in paragraphs (b) through (f) of this section unless ...........

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Splitting hairs and involving the legal types, a question arises: Does this section even apply to us? Experimentals are not even issued standard category airworthy certificates, are they??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standar...ss_Certificate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special...ss_Certificate

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Old 12-12-2008, 10:47 PM
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Scott quoted: (a) General. Except as provided in paragraphs (c)(3) and (e) of this section, no person may operate a powered civil aircraft with a standard category U.S. airworthiness certificate in any operation described in paragraphs (b) through (f) of this section unless ...........

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Splitting hairs and involving the legal types, a question arises: Does this section even apply to us? Experimentals are not even issued standard category airworthy certificates, are they??
Yes Jim it does apply, because of our operating limitations.
Since Part 91 specifically doesn't apply because as you pointed out, E-AB isn't a standard category aircraft, the operating limitations we are issued write the requirement back in.
Here is a couple of the standard ones that are always issued...

(1) No person may operate this aircraft for other than the purpose of meeting the requirements
of ? 91.319(b) during phase I flight testing, and for recreation and education after meeting these
requirements as stated in the program letter (required by ? 21.193) for this aircraft. In addition, this
aircraft must be operated in accordance with applicable air traffic and general operating rules of part 91

and all additional limitations herein prescribed under the provisions of ? 91.319(e). These operating
limitations are a part of Form 8130-7, and are to be carried in the aircraft at all times and be available to
the pilot in command of the aircraft.


(9) Aircraft instruments and equipment installed and used under ? 91.205 must be inspected
and maintained in accordance with the requirements of part 91. Any maintenance or inspection of this
equipment must be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records.


There is also one for the Part 91 requirements for panel labeling and placards and a few others as well.
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Old 12-13-2008, 04:14 AM
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Default Equipment List

I posted this list the other day on the compass thread.

http://www.rainierultralightengines....quirements.pdf

Unless it is out of date, only lights listed are anti-collision and position which are required night VFR and day/night IFR.

Ironically, it seems my friends are always showing off their new LED flashlights like they were prize possessions when they find a new one they really like.

You know - boys and their toys.
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Old 01-05-2009, 10:24 PM
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Default Hmmm

As previously posted, flashlights are a 135/121 requirement, but still a good idea.

Regarding the whisky compass - So the EFIS counts as a magnetic direction indicator, but does it also fulfil the "gyroscopic direction indicator" requirement for those instruments required for instrument flight?

Is there an Advisory Circular out there dealing with glass cockpits and how they relate to the regulations? Thanks
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Old 01-06-2009, 06:28 AM
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Default As a backup to the backup flashlight...

...I carry two "glow sticks" in the flight bag. They come in several different colors (I prefer the lime green) and can be chemically activated by the "crack and shake" procedure. I believe they have an indefinite shelf life...
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Old 01-31-2009, 06:02 PM
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Default Flashlights in the FARs

Find flashlight requirements in the FARs in:
91.503

135.159

121.549

Happy Landings!
Marc
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Old 02-07-2009, 11:42 AM
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Default Regarding Glow Sticks...

It's been my experience that they do 'age'. Old ones don't work as well as new ones... if at all. I'd be replacing them periodically as I do flashlight batteries.

Found that out during a survival exercise for the last outfit I worked for.

Cheers!

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Old 02-09-2009, 04:00 AM
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Default re: dead batteries

I once read in Reader's Digest that the definition of a flashlight is a place to keep dead batteries.

Marshall
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