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Old 09-13-2008, 09:34 PM
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... The best quote I read was the Fire Chief in Surfside that told people who weren't evacuating to write their names and social security numbers on their forearms in permanent ink....then handed them a Sharpie!...
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Paul,

I read that too and wondered why people would stay.

What drives me crazy is these people are warned to get out but elect to stay and then when the sh.. hits the fan, they call 911 and say, "OK, come get me now, I've had enough."

Sorry, but SAR people shouldn't go into harm’s way for people who stay in the face of such a storm.


Those who had to stay because of duty, my hat is off to all of you!

Best of luck to those who live down in that area, I hope all is well when you return.
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Old 09-13-2008, 09:54 PM
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Paul,

I read that too and wondered why people would stay.

What drives me crazy is these people are warned to get out but elect to stay and then when the sh.. hits the fan, they call 911 and say, "OK, come get me now, I've had enough."

Sorry, but SAR people shouldn't go into harm’s way for people who stay in the face of such a storm.


Those who had to stay because of duty, my hat is off to all of you!

Best of luck to those who live down in that area, I hope all is well when you return.
Why do people stay? Several reasons. Part of the reason, surely, is the 100+ people who died in the FUBAR evacuation from Rita in '05. The storm itself killed less than 10 in an area *other* than the Houston metro area.

The other reason is that West Galveston is *not* the same as the Houston metro area. One's 10 ft MSL and 0 miles inland. The other's 40-65' MSL and 30-75 miles inland.

Personally, when I evacuated from Rita, I was steered away from a backroads path I had chosen to get my family out. I was given no choice but to take the 12-24 hour ride across town on an evacuation route chosen by *the authorities*. I could have headed west and around town on the county roads and been safely north of the area in 2-3 hours.

When faced with that rediculous option, I resorted to plan B and flew the family out one by one in my RV.

Granted, riding it out on West Galveston's kind of stupid/suicidal. But the authorities haven't earned much of my trust, personally. Though they did better this time.
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Old 09-14-2008, 07:05 AM
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IKE is rolling northeast across Missouri this morning. At the moment it is raining 1.05" per hour at Spirit Airport and this has been going on since about 2 am. Our home is 28 nm north and we picked up 3.75" so far. Looking at the radar, I would guess it will be out of here by 2 pm but meanwhile the front side of the storm is sucking moisture up from the Texas gulf coast and IKE seems to be thriving on it. The wind is gusting to 35 knots....not nearly as destructive as what happened near Houston....but the lights are flickering.
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Old 09-14-2008, 02:31 PM
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Conroe has some trees down and no power... I've left the area for College Station where my mom lives. No idea what CXO looks like. Couldn't take another night w/o power...
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Old 09-14-2008, 04:36 PM
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Louise and I brought the airplanes back from Fort Worth to College Station this afternoon, and the flying weather was beautiful. I was tempted to try and press on to get TFR permission, but am going to wait another day or so - there is no problem leaving the planes on the ramp at KCLL, and I have no reason yet to push the TFR authorities. I was very glad that people learned the lessons from the Rita fiasco, as Bryanb mentioned. The lessons aren't to "not go", they are that if you are inland above 50' MSL, hunker down and leave the roads clear for those that NEED a way to get out! As a person that has done hurricane rescue for years, I am just amazed that people stayed on the barrier islands - that's just playing Russian Roulette.

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Old 09-14-2008, 04:50 PM
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Paul, don't know if you still have a place in Nassau Bay or not .... but the video I saw from that area looked grim. The houses there are going to be soggy.

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Old 09-14-2008, 05:24 PM
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Paul, don't know if you still have a place in Nassau Bay or not .... but the video I saw from that area looked grim. The houses there are going to be soggy.

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The townhouse I own up near NASA 1 is apparently intact, with some roof leaks/ceiling damage - and that is at the highest point in the city (about 18' msl). My former place on the water (where I built the Valkyrie) - well, the report I got was that the garage (at one time, the airplane factory) was "full to the ceiling"....glad that didn't happen during my build!

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Old 09-14-2008, 07:29 PM
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I just read on the Lone Star Flight Museum's web sight that they recieved substantial damage.

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Old 09-15-2008, 08:11 AM
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Default Thanks to the 52F guys

So far, Paul and I have been very fortunate and have much to be thankful for. First, many thanks to the 52F folks who provided shelter for both of our planes and a car to get us back and forth to College Station (my crash pad condo). We are also thankful for the extreme ease of the evacuation thanks to our RVs and having just set up the condo near TAMU. No waiting or poking along on the roads and no struggle for a temporary home.

Paul has just flown down to Houston to check for interior damage to our home and hanger (the exteriors are reportedly fine) and, probably, the Nassau Bay townhouse. If things are good, I expect him to see what his fire department might need done. I have continued to pretty much work a normal schedule.

Thanks, again, for everyones help and good thoughts.
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Old 09-15-2008, 08:21 AM
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Default TFR changes and Weathermeister

We are also grateful to Dan Checkoway and his Weathermeister system. It was a great resource as our main (often only) access to the web was our Blackberries and his e-mail alerts on the rapidly evolving TFR changes ensured that we knew that situation. The ease of getting briefings yesterday on the Blackberries really helped remove potential hassles during our recovery of the planes (even if it did rather fill my mailbox). When things are changing rapidly, it sure is nice to have such a convenient resource. We first learned of the TFR through one of his e-mail alerts.

This morning, we were very pleased to wake up this morning, check my e-mail, and learn that the TFR is now isolated to the Galveston Island area (up to 2000') and our airpark is open. If things go well, Paul will probably fly over the area and take pictures on the way back up to College Station this evening.

BTW, if you are considering flying into the area, note that most airports have no electricity, thus no lights, and the METARS are completely bogus.
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