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Old 07-29-2008, 01:32 PM
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Once again proof positive to wait untill you really need them to buy your avionics.

I think, as previously posted, these products are just starting to break out.

We're going to be seeing alot of new product coming out and hopefully all the prices going down as more companies start to offer them.

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Old 07-29-2008, 07:49 PM
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Everybody's got a motive. Some people are trying to prop up the company in which they just invested several grand (e.g. "I just bought an XYZ EFIS and it's great!"). Some people make a larger profit selling some over-priced units over others. Until you know a person's motivation, be skeptical.

As to the motive of people for their opinions, I have known Stein for years, he flies a Dynon, and has great respect for the stuff, but his experience ranges from Decathlons to 757's from turn coordinators to Collins Proline and other systems.

His loyalty is to the clients. So, the opinions he gives customers about building various levels of panel have nothing to do with price. In fact, you might be surprised to know that hardware margins are very, very tight.

Stein and Jed are motivated to continue serving this community and to support a business that they hope will last many many years to come.

Sorry for the soap box, but the original question was sent in the direction of Stein and the others in the business. Those people are beyond reproach in my experience and when they are asked a straight question, like or lump the answer, you can be assured that it will be an honest and straightforward answer.

As to whether the units will be suitable for IFR, that is a decision each pilot will need to make on their own. But, even hardened systems have a backup.
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Old 07-29-2008, 08:39 PM
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I was trying to avoid pointing any fingers at anybody in particular. Just recommending against getting all your info from one source. I've never met Stein, but I know he's well regarded in the community.

Good points Brian. On one occasion, I had my AF3400 EMS screen go dark while on the ground (luckily only 20 miles from home). Turns out the EMS was still functioning, so I was able to see the display on the EFIS. It would have been a real problem to be 1000 miles from home without an EMS. Everybody has to decide for him/herself whether to spend thousands to avoid that unlikely event, or rely on the support from the manufacturer.

The new Dynon units do have a dual DSAB bus. I'm not sure how that's going to be used exactly, but there is the potential there to handle the DSAB master failing.

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I'm probably in the minority here but the synthetic vision "thing" doesn't appear that useful to me.
I guess you've never been picking your way through the Siskiyous or Cascades with ceilings at 2000' AGL, wondering "Am I going to clear that next pass?"

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Old 07-29-2008, 09:41 PM
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I guess you've never been picking your way through the Siskiyous or Cascades with ceilings at 2000' AGL, wondering "Am I going to clear that next pass?"

IF you are IFR your would NEVER be doing this so I guess it would only be useful for VFR scud running. For IFR it is only "eye candy."
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Old 07-29-2008, 10:02 PM
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I'm probably in the minority here but the synthetic vision "thing" doesn't appear that useful to me. Now granted, I fly east of the Rockies where everything is going to look flat and maybe that's the reason. I like the moving maps with the detail and all, but the syn vision? I can live without it I think.
I live in the Rocky Mtn. area, and think it's one of the best ideas yet. There is still a lot of aircraft clobbering mountains out here every year, for numerous reasons. Synthetic 3D will change solid IMC to daytime conditions.................if needed.

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Old 07-29-2008, 10:10 PM
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IF you are IFR your would NEVER be doing this so I guess it would only be useful for VFR scud running. For IFR it is only "eye candy."
Actually, quite a few IFR accidents come to mind, where this synthetic 3D terrain would have been useful. Aspen, Colorado is a good example.

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Old 07-30-2008, 12:34 AM
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I know you must have been discussing the next gen stuff with the folks at Dynon.... That being said, you most likely know about more of the details of the planned architecture than what they are willing to share with the public at this time.

So- With what you know about their plans and the latest announcements, would you concider a dual screen setup based on this new system compatible with an IFR bird?
We've been holding this stuff really close to the chest until just a few days ago (start of Osh). The number of people outside of Dynon that had ever seen the next generation screens, or knew what we were planning on showing, can be counted on an extremely small amount of fingers. Some of them are spouses of employees.

Pricing truly hasn't been determined yet. There's a lot of analysis that we still need to do, and a lot of how prices shake out is going to depend on competition, the marketplace as we get closer, the Brownian motion of a lava lamp, and...

The bottom line is that we've always focused on bringing products to the market at a low cost. It's been one of the primary drivers of our success, and it remains one of our core company philosophies. We want to see our stuff in all of your airplanes, not just the high-end ones!
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Old 07-30-2008, 12:38 AM
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Does anyone know if it does fullscreen on the syn-vis? Because that would be pretty.
It does, and at a fairly incredible frame-rate (I'm biased though )

In fact, given the modular nature of the next generation, you'll be able to have a screen display a full-screen PFD, map, EMS, etc, or you can combine different elements onto a single screen as you've seen in the screens thus-far.
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Old 07-30-2008, 02:04 AM
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It does, and at a fairly incredible frame-rate (I'm biased though )
Would you have any exact numbers to solve this issue?
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Old 07-30-2008, 03:21 AM
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Question Synthetic Vision. Nice, but...

Now first of all, I'm not yet a pilot, so take this for what it is worth, but I'm not sure I'd be too keen to follow synthetic vision based from a (how old?) map to avoid running into something when I can't see outside. From my extremely limited flight experience so far (a whopping 23 hours of it) I always understood that you look at your map, check all the objects within several miles of your intended flight path, and then plan an altitude to clear them by a good and handy margin. Okay, I guess if you had to cross a very high and very log mountain range then you might be below the 'safe' level and thread through valleys and whatnot, but I would expect to done only VFR and certainly not relying on any sort of synthetic vision (except perhaps radar/sonar generated real time kind of stuff that I suppose the military might have). Scary stuff; its no computer game...
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