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07-05-2008, 01:53 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: St. George
Posts: 973
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RE:Point taken...I think ??????
From the begining of my build (Sept 4, 2004) I have signed off all comments with:
Frank @ SGU & SLC..... RV7A...Comment on phase of build
Now it is:
Frank @ 1L8....RV7A.....Last 901 details before flight #1
SGU.....Saint George, Utah home in the desert south west and when I had a few bucks SLC 2nd home in Salt Lake City, Utah.
I thought I was being real cool throwing around pilot lingo. I thought all you real high time pilots with the small wheel in the right location and all parts primed in the appropriate primer had all these airport identifiers commited to memory....ya right. So I get your point.................
So let me introduce you good folks to my airport..........
1L8 is what we like to call Hurricane Internationl (pronounced here in the desert south west as "Her-a-cun Internationl) or in the airport guide as General Dick Stout Field......near Hurricane City or is that Her-a-cun City, Utah.............
TFTH, HAGD, and LOL............
Frank @ Her-a-cun International (1L8).....RV7A....last details....
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Originally Posted by RScott
So I launched from 5S9, refueled at 2J9 and LXV, spent the night at 5KE.
I remember in my senior English class the prof saying that the purpose of writing is to communicate.
How many have any idea where I started, ended or where I went? Was I flying in the east, west, south or Rockies? Did I really tell anything other than I made 2 fuel stops? What did I communicate?
So the above route was from my home base of Estacada, in northwest Oregon, refueled at Quincy, Florida and Leadville, Colorado (elevation 9,927 ft. msl) and spent the night at Ketchkan, Alaska, landing on the water. How many of you had any idea the route was bogus?
How about we just make it a normal practice here to use place names that everyone might recognize (I could say, "Estacada, outside Portland, Oregon") and use airport designators only where it makes a difference and is relevant to the discussion. And if you use a designator, throw in the place name also. Sure, you have to type a little bit more, but you also communicate a lot more. And if you weren't trying to communicate, why write in the first place?
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07-05-2008, 02:17 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Bay Area California
Posts: 123
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RScott
So I launched from 5S9, refueled at 2J9 and LXV, spent the night at 5KE.
I remember in my senior English class the prof saying that the purpose of writing is to communicate.
How many have any idea where I started, ended or where I went? Was I flying in the east, west, south or Rockies? Did I really tell anything other than I made 2 fuel stops? What did I communicate?...
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Over the last few years, to help communicate with myself, I?ve started adding the full name of the more obscure identifiers to my log book. Being afflicted with CRS, when I read my first log book from the eighties, I have no idea where I went on many of my x-country flights without looking them up.
I?ve also started writing more detail, names of passengers, route, unusual sights, events, etc. Besides making it easier to remember my flights, my log book is the closest thing to journal/diary that I?ll ever own.
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Tom
Flying RV-4
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07-05-2008, 03:40 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Houston, Tx
Posts: 163
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Originally Posted by DeltaRomeo
Couldn't resist (plugged into Runwayfinder.com).

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I just have a couple quick questions here.. How big are your tanks, what sort of fuel burn, and howmany relief packs did ya go thru? 
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Bill S.
A+P, RV Dreamer + Schemer
RV-9 preplans in hand
Last edited by WilburD2 : 07-05-2008 at 03:41 PM.
Reason: add smiley
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07-05-2008, 04:01 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Mendon South Carolina
Posts: 1,391
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How many have any idea where I started, ended or where I went? Was I flying in the east, west, south or Rockies? Did I really tell anything other than I made 2 fuel stops? What did I communicate?
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If I really cared I would look them up.
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07-05-2008, 04:24 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 276
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This thread got me thinking about logbooks
I happen to use logbookpro from NC Software.
Anyway here is how I usually comment my flights:
Passenger name;purpose of flight;weather conditions;procedures;landing quality.
For example:
Penny L;area sightseeing;hazy with light winds;ILS Rwy 5 @ CPK; 1 good and 1 v. good landing.
I used to keep track of my landing quality because in my RV-8 it took me a couple dozen landings before I had my first greaser. In my RV-10 it is pretty rare that I don't grease it on (more a comment about the airplane than about my flying skill).
I would be interested to hear what other information people put in the logbook. Note: Logbook Pro has lots of places for the usual stuff like PIC time, IMC, simulated IMC etc. and you can add additional fields if you want to. Great program.
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Richmond, VA (KFCI)
RV-10 (520+ hours since first flight in Nov 07)
RV-8 (500 hours, sold Sept 07)
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07-05-2008, 04:58 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Savage, Minnesota
Posts: 54
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Thanks for bringing the subject up Richard. Thought the same many times.
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07-05-2008, 05:02 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Detroit, MI
Posts: 1,587
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Contrarian
While I agree that unknown designators obfuscate the message, failing to use them is often imprecise in that many political entities (cities, towns, etc.) have multiple airports. Unlike traditional METAR and TAF codes, we can afford the extra text to use both the political and the ICAO identifiers. If I want to see where you say you went, I plug it into my flight planner and that does require the specific identifier for that airport. Why make me look up the town and guess about which one you meant? This is like lawyers (bad) vs. programmers (good). That latter have communications that cannot be ambiguous while the former never seem to get it quite right. As proof, there is no need for a SCOTUS for programming. "I flew from Detroit to Chicago". How's that for precision?
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"We can lift ourselves out of ignorance, we can find ourselves as creatures of excellence and intelligence and skill. We can be free! We can learn to fly!" -J.L. Seagull
Paid $25.00 "dues" net of PayPal cost for 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018 (December).
This airplane is for sale: see website. my website
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07-05-2008, 05:15 PM
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: DVT
Posts: 238
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Guess I need to change my location in my profile to something more user friendly...not.
Besides, if you really want to come give me a piece of your mind you almost know exactly where to find me. Maybe I should add my hangar number...
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RV-6, AT-301, G-164, C-188...
Last edited by MacNab : 07-05-2008 at 05:21 PM.
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07-05-2008, 05:48 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 736
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Originally Posted by fstringham7a
1L8 is what we like to call Hurricane Internationl (pronounced here in the desert south west as "Her-a-cun Internationl) or in the airport guide as General Dick Stout Field......near Hurricane City or is that Her-a-cun City, Utah.............
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I remember I had to go to... ummm.. Hurricane Utah to handle a couple of claims a few years back and was corrected SOOOOO many times that is was not Hurricane but her-a-cun.
I will never ever mispronounce that again in that part of the world, now that I'm safe,  I can say there were way to many front porches with toothless banjo players for my level of comfort. And whats with the dirt???? is red...really red, and the mud will stick to your car like glue and won't come out of your pants..  .so finally, ta heck with ya'll!!!! It's Hurricane!!! either change the spelling or learn how to pronounce it...and I'm sorry if I offended any of you toothless, front porch, banjo players. 
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Rick Sked
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07-05-2008, 06:18 PM
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Posts: 1,324
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Identifiers
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Originally Posted by N395V
If I really cared I would look them up.
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Also, using identifiers keeps things really simple in some parts of the US of A...
From AirNav, for example:
Search Airports
HOUSTON, TX
106 airports found
ID City Name Remarks
KHOU Houston, TX, USA William P Hobby Airport
KDWH Houston, TX, USA David Wayne Hooks Memorial Airport
KIAH Houston, TX, USA George Bush Intercontinental/Houston Airport
KSGR Houston, TX, USA Sugar Land Regional Airport
KEFD Houston, TX, USA Ellington Field Airport
KCXO Houston, TX, USA Lone Star Executive Airport
KIWS Houston, TX, USA West Houston Airport
KLVJ Houston, TX, USA Pearland Regional Airport
KEYQ Houston, TX, USA Weiser Air Park
KAXH Houston, TX, USA Houston Southwest Airport
KTME Houston, TX, USA Houston Executive Airport
T51 Houston, TX, USA Dan Jones International Airport
KDKR Crockett, TX, USA Houston County Airport
O07 Houston, TX, USA Westheimer Air Park
37X Waller, TX, USA Skydive Houston Airport
2H5 Houston, TX, USA Happy Landings Airport
39R Houston, TX, USA Flyin' B Airport
<snip!>
John Clark
RV8 N18U "Sunshine"
KSBA
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