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12-03-2007, 07:21 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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I wonder if the money we are sending over to China today, will come back to haunt us like the cheap steel we sold to Japan before WWII?
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12-03-2007, 07:40 PM
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Yep.
I buy the best quality I can find. If it is helping a worker in Iowa feed their family then great - it it is helping a worker in China feed theirs then then that is just as great.

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12-03-2007, 08:07 PM
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Between this and the RV List, the Cessna announcement sure has gotten passions all stirred up.
But, the question I have is where was everybody last July when Cirrus announced at Oshkosh that they'd build their LSA in Poland?
As for the whole China thing, well, are you scared? Or are you excited?
The answer, to my way of thinking, determines what sort of Americans the Greatest Generation left behind. They were the generations, like so many others, that was always confident it could meet challenges through innovation.
Now, it seems we start off with a real "we can't" attitude.
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12-03-2007, 08:40 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Elk Grove, CA
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Anyone know musical wind instruments ?
Same deal . . .
Chinese wind instruments are junk but very cheap.
Korean instruments are pretty good and affordable.
Japanese instruments are excellent and expensive.
USA or European instruments are tops and too
expensive for anyone but pro musicians.
Anyone buying them should know what they are buying.
Sound familiar? Airplane instruments?
Ever heard of Falcon instruments?
United instruments? You make the call.
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Elk Grove, CA
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12-03-2007, 09:19 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Northwestern Ohio
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As an FYI, kudos to Menards (homecenter). In their weekly ads they indicate MiUSA next to the products that are on special.
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12-03-2007, 09:58 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: KSLC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceW
Same deal . . .
Chinese wind instruments are junk but very cheap.
Korean instruments are pretty good and affordable.
Japanese instruments are excellent and expensive.
USA or European instruments are tops and too
expensive for anyone but pro musicians.
Anyone buying them should know what they are buying.
Sound familiar? Airplane instruments?
Ever heard of Falcon instruments?
United instruments? You make the call.
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Made in Japan & Korea, was once considered "junk", just as China's products have been.
I have no doubt, that China will move forward in the quality department, just as these other nations. It's just the way it is, considering that so many well known U.S. companies have set up shop, there.
BTW-- I just noticed that my high definition Sony DVD player is built in Malaysia & the remote in China. Okay, then add Japan to the list of setting up shop in China too!
L.Adamson
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12-03-2007, 10:06 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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Imagine an entrepreneur who actually values quality over the almighty dollar, what kind of American are you?!? Actually, it's smart business now with the dollar tanking. Just as Japan found it was cheaper to produce cars over here in the 80's, with transport costs soaring now, domestic manufacturing should get more competitive. The international trade market was subsidized with cheap oil. Now that that era is likely over, the pendulum will swing back.
20 years ago, we thought the family farm was going to be extinct. Enough people decided to shop at the farmers market as opposed to Walmart, and the local/organic farm industry was (re)born.
It may not actually be healthier or cheaper, but it does taste better.
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12-04-2007, 04:46 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Eastern, PA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by X To Fly
Who puts them together? 
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Pictures in the background look familiar?
http://www.bonanzametalcrafters.com/
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12-04-2007, 11:50 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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I just finished writing a term paper on Boeing's use of outsourcing. Basically, a boeing 787 when it becomes reality will be no more an American airplane then the Airbus A330 that congress is balking at using for our new aerial tanker. The 787 is partially designed and most of the major pieces are to be assembled outside the United States. The 777 was build in partnership with Fuji Heavy Industries and Kawasaki Heavy Industries. The 787 partner in japan in Aero-Subaru. Part of the wing is being built in Italy as well if I'm not mistaken. Honestly, foreign workers aren't the problem with quality, it's just cheap designs. If Cessna designs it and it's built to their specs, the labor involved won't be any worse that typical Union labor here in the states. Why do you think there are so many problems with Ford these days...?
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12-04-2007, 12:32 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Bay Area California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Collins
Between this and the RV List, the Cessna announcement sure has gotten passions all stirred up.
But, the question I have is where was everybody last July when Cirrus announced at Oshkosh that they'd build their LSA in Poland?
As for the whole China thing, well, are you scared? Or are you excited?
The answer, to my way of thinking, determines what sort of Americans the Greatest Generation left behind. They were the generations, like so many others, that was always confident it could meet challenges through innovation.
Now, it seems we start off with a real "we can't" attitude.
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Judging from the number of views, I agree, passions are stirred up and they should be.
I couldn’t disagree more with your last sentence, American workers can hold their heads high. Beyond the ‘American work ethic’ that drives Americans to work more hours than in most countries, statistically I believe we have one of the most efficient work forces in the world.
But allowing multi-national global corporations (who don’t give a flying fig about America or its workers) the ability to pit our workers against those who aren’t allowed to organize, who have no history of workers rights, who have no health or safety standards, who have no environmental laws and who’ll happily work for pennies on the dollar has lead us to our current sad state of affairs. All the promises of NAFTA and other ‘free trade agreements’ have been shown to be false and instead gave us 400,000 lost jobs.
I’m a proud liberal, but when it comes to immigration and the ‘global economy’ I find myself agreeing more with the likes of Pat Buchanan. I’ve also noticed that most of the proponents of ‘free trade’ have income levels in the 6 digit range and can afford to ignore all the down sides.
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Tom
Flying RV-4
Last edited by Low n Slow : 12-04-2007 at 12:37 PM.
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