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11-03-2007, 06:44 AM
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Say..
...Kyle. Would you like to get into the Carb manufacturing business down here? Need a partner?
I'm thinking,
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11-03-2007, 07:33 AM
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What this tells me is that they don't sell enough carbs to justify the insurance expense.
Before making a decision about fuel systems to use in an experimental, many builders don't take into account what it costs for parts or overhaul. Precision Airmotive prices their parts astronomically high. Go price a servo diaphragm for a Silverhawk then go price the equivalent part from AFP.
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11-03-2007, 07:49 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2006
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lawyers?
As a lawyer who defends product claims like these, I have my own criticisms of the way the system works (a lot of criticisms!). You should remember, however, that it's really not the lawyers. Lawyers just represent clients and bring claims that are supported by judicial decisions and by the legislature. The answer is this: if you don't like the rules, get em changed. Congress did that with GA manufacturers. You might try that with the component manufacturers, too, but then they wouldn't have a lot of motivation to make products better.
Fundamentally, though, it's the credulity of juries enhanced by the dumbing down of society that's the problem. Plaintiff's lawyers can put lipstick on a pig, and a jury may fall in love with that story. I don't know how you fix that.
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11-03-2007, 08:04 AM
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: Phoenix, Az
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Yea, and it would be helpful if they could sell carburetor floats that wouldn't sink or dissolve in gas, causing nasty crashes. You wouldn't think that would be such a tall order in this high-tech world, would you? Manufacturers have brought many of their woes on themselves.
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11-03-2007, 03:13 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pierre smith
...Kyle. Would you like to get into the Carb manufacturing business down here? Need a partner?
I'm thinking,
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Can you provide expertise and funding? I'm pretty short on both. ;-)
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11-03-2007, 07:00 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Hubbard Oregon
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Quote:
Originally Posted by az_gila
"....cease production and support of its float carburetor line."
Does anyone else make replacement parts?
Or is this an end to even the parts stream?
gil A.... FI looking better.... 
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Kelly aerospace makes some parts.
I just bought a couple of floats (they are metal (brass), not plastic) and a couple of needle/seat kits from Chief Aircraft to keep on the shelf as spares.
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11-04-2007, 07:03 AM
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Casting experience
Kyle, I have a lot of casting experience working with gold. We had a jewelry store as a second business for 15 years or so and I learned the lost wax casting process and made dozens of rings and pendants from old gold, teeth, wedding bands, etc.
Casting carburetor bodies is not too different. I suspect Precision either has those outsourced or perhaps their own small foundry. My finances are also limited.
Regards,
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RV6A (Sojourner) 180 HP, Catto 3 Bl (502Hrs), gone...and already missed
Air Tractor AT 502B PT 6-15 Sold
Air Tractor 402 PT-6-20 Sold
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Louisville, Ga
It's never skill or craftsmanship that completes airplanes, it's the will to do so,
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11-04-2007, 09:54 AM
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I'm in the aluminum die casting business. The tooling is not that dificult to produce but it is fairly expensive. What about patent rights? I would assume they have pretty much all expired.
Just a thought. Maybe we need a small group to form an LLC and produce carbs.
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11-04-2007, 11:24 AM
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Beware of Mr Wolk
Men.
Before you go setting up a business making carburetors you should take a look at the following link.
http://arthuralanwolk.com/_wsn/page2.html
Barry F-PRVM RV6A
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11-04-2007, 03:30 PM
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It's not the end
Things can change. They may sell the line or may be get some insurance. Kelly may take it over?
It's true Kelly Aerospace makes some carb parts, but not sure how much they actually make. Most of Kelly's parts where parts made by Consolidated who they bought out. Consolidated had the PMA for making parts for Marvel Schibler carbs. If you buy a float today from Kelly its all OLD NEW STOCK, stuff they bought years ago made by Consolidated.
There will be a market to make carb parts.
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