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09-16-2007, 07:31 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Palm Bay, FL
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RV-8 canopy skirts...
I am coaching an RV-8 builder on his project. The canopy skirt on the RV-8 is completely different from my RV-9A slider. I looked over the prints and the instructions and cannot find a reference to the two sides overlapping at the back or NOT. What have you guys done who have been there, done that?
Paul Dye: What did you do?
Anybody else? Jay Pratt?
Thanks in advance for the help.
Jerry K. Thorne
RV-9A - - N2PZ
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09-16-2007, 10:53 AM
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Join Date: May 2005
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skirt overlap
Hi Jerry,
This is what I did:
There is excess material all around on the parts when they come out of the mold. After I got the top and bottom trimmed close (1/4" extra) and mounted to the frame/canopy, I trimmed the ends so the butt joint was centered over the rail. I cut a piece of aluminum about an inch wide and clamped in place on the underside spanning the joint. Drilled for 3/32 clecos, three on each side. Next I ground about half the skirt away on the top. Cleco the aluminum back in place and glass the top with two or three layers. Once it cures remove the skirt, remove the aluminum strip and glass the inside. Makes a nice strong joint.
John Barker
N819WB
Getting ready to SikaFlex my skirt...
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09-16-2007, 12:45 PM
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I Started up Front...
My skirts fit very well, after I figured them out - a lot of folks have had to do a lot of cutting and re-work, but I think Van finally figured the dang things out by the time I got mine. I fit from the front to the back, and didn't worry about the overlap until I got all the way back there. Basically, drill and cleco as you you move aft. Make sure that you pull the skirt "up" on the canopy if you are getting a poor (loose) fit against the fuselage. When you get to the very back, arbitrarily decide which skirt to cut off on the centerline. Cut it off, and finish fitting it to fuse/canopy. Then finish fitting the overlapping one, and cut it off on the centerline as well. Don't worry if they don't match - you're going to glass them together, and glass covers all sins!
Remove them, cover the canopy with plastic and vinyl tape, make a temporary aluminum splice plate to join the two sides of the skirt in back, and drill for clecos. Mix up the epoxy and fasten them together. After that cures, remove the splice plate and cover the joint with some glass cloth and epoxy and then finish with all the usual goop.
At least that's how I did it....
Paul
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RV-8 - N188PD - "Valkyrie"
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09-18-2007, 06:34 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Palm Bay, FL
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Thanks!
We were coming to that conclusion as well. The same metal tab inside under the butt ends of the skirts, the glass layers, etc. Thanks for the tip about the fuselage fit and the position of the skirt on the frame, Paul.
John, Sikaflex is what was used to put the canopy on the frame. Wendell wants to use it on the canopy skirts as well. We have drilled just a few holes in the frame and clecoed the two skirts in place to hold them when it is time to put them on with the adhesive.
Jerry K. Thorne
East Ridge, TN
Last edited by n2prise : 09-18-2007 at 06:39 AM.
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09-19-2007, 05:35 PM
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Join Date: May 2005
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sika flex on the skirt
That's what I did. I used just a few holes to hold the canopy to the frame while I applied the Sika Flex and used those same holes to hold the skirt. Tape the lower edge to the fuse and use Sika Flex to attach to the frame and canopy.
Oh, one last tip; Make sure you remove your masking tape within 10 minutes of applying the Sika Flex. If you wait longer than that it skins over and then when you pull the tape off it pulls the skin with it and makes a BIG mess. Very hard to clean up AND it ruins the nice fillet you created with your soapy finger. If you let the Sika dry you won't be able to get you tape off.
Best of luck,
John
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09-20-2007, 10:18 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Tucson Arizona
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Sika on the canopy and skirt
Greetings
I used Sika-flex on the canopy and skirt with no problems and it is bulletproof at 150 hrs in all weather extremes. I drilled the canopy per Vans plans but used spacers and Sika instead of pop-rivets. When I attached the skirt, I pumped the Sika into the holes instead of rivets - through the skirt, canopy and into the frame. No cracks, no leaks and no problems. I am very happy with the results and feel my canopy is safe from cracks in all the weather extremes I fly into.
My opinion only.
Bruce "FM" Edwards
Rv-8, flying, 150 hrs
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09-21-2007, 02:40 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Watkinsville, GA
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Are you and Wendell going to make it tomorrow!
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"Miss Sue"
RV-8 80749 slow build taildragger
7.5 year build first flight Dec 2005
SOLD at 540 hours and 10 years of FUN
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Watkinsville, Georgia
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09-26-2007, 10:36 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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Yes, we made it.
For those of you following this thread, we did visit Marshall in Athens, Georgia on Saturday, September 22nd.
http://www.n2prise.org/rv9a247.htm
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Built in East Ridge, TN.
Now in Palm Bay, Florida
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09-27-2007, 12:38 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Sedalia,KY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by n2prise
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Jerry,
Are those the factory (Van's) gear legs on that -8? It looks to me like they might be Grove gear that have been painted.??
Very good looking -8. Love the paint job!!!!
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09-27-2007, 05:44 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Watkinsville, GA
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Josh
Yes they are standard Grove legs with paint. I got tired of fiberglass!
no regrets, and I do like the gear.
Thanks for the nice write up Jerry
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"Miss Sue"
RV-8 80749 slow build taildragger
7.5 year build first flight Dec 2005
SOLD at 540 hours and 10 years of FUN
N68AK
Watkinsville, Georgia
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