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Old 08-11-2007, 08:21 PM
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.....1. COST!!! .......big difference between a $40K airplane and a $55K airplane.

3. Folding wings...easier to bring home for storage and repairs.

.....By the way, has anyone over 6'2" sat in the -12? One of my biggest concerns at this point is if I (6'3") will fit comfortably in the plane.
Good luck getting one built for low $40's. Vans kits ~$22K+15K for a motor. doesn't leave much for electrics, paint, seats, etc. I'm betting a very basic new RV-12 will be over $45k.

Wings don't fold, but are removable.

I'm not 6'2", but am 6' and 240#. There was plenty of room. I would guess 3"+(maybe more) above my head and lots of legroom.
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Old 08-11-2007, 08:44 PM
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Good luck getting one built for low $40's. Vans kits ~$22K+15K for a motor. doesn't leave much for electrics, paint, seats, etc. I'm betting a very basic new RV-12 will be over $45k.

Wings don't fold, but are removable.

I'm not 6'2", but am 6' and 240#. There was plenty of room. I would guess 3"+(maybe more) above my head and lots of legroom.

Thank you for the response!! I was hoping someone would say that. Plus the additional few inches of legroom that's supposedly going to be added in the production airplane means I shouldn't have a problem.

Just out of curiousity, where do you get that Van's kits are $22K? Just looking at Vans website I see prices for the two seaters ranging from $14,530 for the -4 to the most expensive (RV-8a) at $19,190. I'm also going on the original quote from Vans saying that "Our goal is a kit price some- what less than an RV-9A kit." ($19,165) http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/12.pdf

Even if it's just a little cheaper, a $19K kit and a $15K engine would leave me $6K for an interior and basic panel, which for a simple day/night VFR plane is something I would think I could do. And I'm not going to make that a deal breaker...I've been though the building process before and I know that original numbers never work out in the end...it just makes it easier to justify to the wife in the beginning
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Old 08-11-2007, 10:19 PM
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Excellent thought, and I would have to agree to an extent. However, I am one example where I have never built an RV, and I am still leaning towards the -12. My reasons are:


2. Van's history: All Van has ever designed is metal airplanes...the -19 is a first for RANS, and they may still have some learning to do (higher than expected weight, for example.)
S-19 is NOT RANS first metal aircraft...the S-16 Used metal wings, with a fuse very similar to Glastar construction....
Just for correct info.....

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Old 08-11-2007, 11:19 PM
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Thank you for the response!! ......

Just out of curiousity, where do you get that Van's kits are $22K? ......I'm also going on the original quote from Vans saying that "Our goal is a kit price some- what less than an RV-9A kit." ($19,165).

....it just makes it easier to justify to the wife in the beginning
Look closer at the cost of a -9. yes the kit is $19k, but you still need firewall forward stuff(I figure ~3000). making it $22000. Just a guess on my part. I'm building a -7 so have an idea about what Vans estimate is and my costs are. I've also been involved in building a Rans so understand their kits and pricing. Rans S-6 kit was very complete(even seatbelts are included). I think when all is said and done, painted and flying, both the 12 & 19 will be nice planes and priced within a few thousand $$$.

brandnew 130mph plane for under $50k almost sells itself
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Old 08-12-2007, 07:54 AM
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Old 08-12-2007, 08:07 AM
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Look closer at the cost of a -9. yes the kit is $19k, but you still need firewall forward stuff(I figure ~3000). making it $22000.
That is an excellent point...something I haven't really thought about. I forget how great Van's kits are after having been a partner in a 4000 hour fiberglass project where the FWF kit was nothing more than a poor fitting cowling!

I hope the FWF kit on the -12 is as complete as the rest of the series. It will be interesting to see how all is done with the Rotax...
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Old 08-22-2007, 04:39 PM
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I took a close look at the two planes at Osh and I agree with you that the S-19 competes more closly with the RV-9 and looks great. The RV-12 has glider style removable wings! As a glider pilot I can really relate to this and consider it to be a very desireable feature. But this feature means that the 12 cannot look like a little fighter plane.
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Old 08-22-2007, 04:41 PM
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A very basic Sports Star is $110,000.00.
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