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07-27-2007, 10:05 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Steinhatchee, Florida
Posts: 122
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I went to Oshosk really looking foward to seeing the RV-12, but I came away very disappointed. I went to Van's three mornings in a row trying to figure out why I was not happy with the RV-12. I had planned to order a tail kit at the show, but they were not taking orders, also they would not let anyone sit in the airplane. I looked at the Nine sitting next to it and I thought now that looks like real airplane. I walked just a short distance away and looked at the Rans S-19 also three mornings in arow. It looked like a small RV-9, nice looking airplane, but very expensive. To me the twelve was not impressive. I have built two RVs and presently fly my Nine which is a fantastic airplane. I really like the folding wing feature on the Twelve because I could take it with me when I leave Florida in the summer to get away from the heat. I have enjoyed doing business with Vans because they are very customer oriented. I might change my mind on the Twelve when they start giving demo rides. I think I am going to take a wait and see attitude for now.
Gerry
RV-9, N92GC & Cub, NC88583
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07-27-2007, 06:03 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 13
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Gerry, I agree 100%. I was at the show Monday, Tuesday & Wednesday. The first place I went to on Monday morning was Van's display. I took some pictures of the -12, but generally disappointed in the airplane. It is much smaller than I thought it would be. Looks like a toy sitting next to the -9 on display. I never did get a straight answer as to why no one was allowed to sit in the plane. When I walked past the display Tuesday, Van was in front of the -12, and IIRC he said:
1. Removable wings are here to stay.
2. They expect someone will provide a light kit.
3. Not sure when demo rides will be available.
4. The Rotax engine is here to stay.
5. They may partner with someone to provide a trailer.
6. Tail kits available at the end of the year.
7. Wheel pants may be a option.
I too will wait and see how this plays out. The Ran's S-19 looks nice painted, and may provide some good competition for the -12. Before I buy anything, I want to fly it.
Jim
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07-27-2007, 06:40 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: San Pedro
Posts: 1,013
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Removable wings - trailerability
Yeah - it's a hugh deal with me. I currently live about 10 miles from the closest SoCAl airport to me. Wouldn't mind trailering my 12 at all for maintenance and the security of home. I am retiring soon and simply can't afford a hanger. Hope that I'm not priced out of this hobby. 
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07-27-2007, 10:02 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Kingwood
Posts: 80
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Miffed!!
I guess the best advertisement for the Vans product has to be the 100 plus Airplanes on the ground. I'm sure it's the most of any experimental or Certified out there. Has to be.
What I don't understand is that the company MUST know that hard info, and real demonstrations are what we as prospective buyers are wanting. Especially, after waiting for a whole year from last AirVenture, when only the mock up was present. Why is there a hesitant nature to sell the plane? Show off the **** plane. Two negative write ups from board members in two days. We all know that Van's planes virtually sell themselves but darn it, throw a dog a bone! Please!
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07-27-2007, 10:10 PM
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been here awhile
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Alabama
Posts: 4,301
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I guess the best advertisement for the Vans product has to be the 100 plus Airplanes on the ground. I'm sure it's the most of any experimental or Certified out there. Has to be.
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Probably more like 500.
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What I don't understand is that the company MUST know that hard info, and real demonstrations are what we as prospective buyers are wanting. Especially, after waiting for a whole year from last AirVenture, when only the mock up was present. Why is there a hesitant nature to sell the plane?
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Could it be that the design hasn't been finalized, and the plane is not yet ready to "sell"?? (See updates on Vans website)
Rest assured, when the RV-12 is ready...Vans will sell it.
Patience.
Last edited by Sam Buchanan : 07-27-2007 at 10:12 PM.
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07-28-2007, 05:37 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 335
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I aggree with Sam...
Patience!
Van's will sell no plane before it's time! After all, this is the prove of concept plane, had it been the final design, things mighta been different. I bet they are as anxious to get the plane ready as any of us are.
By the way, I'm still wondering where the other $114,000.00/year is being spent!
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Bill Waters
Based KCVC (Covington, GA)
RV6A - Gone, but not forgotten!
RV8 - Gone too, now winning races in the RV Gold Class!
RV4 - Flying!!!
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07-31-2007, 01:36 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Kingwood
Posts: 80
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yes... I know.....
Patinece is a virtue. I know this. I just am ready for more hard info.... I am almost to the point that I'm ready to get in line for the 912, just to have it here so I won't be waiting for that too.
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08-10-2007, 01:30 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Kingwood
Posts: 80
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not yet?
No one, STILL, has seen the wings come on and off?
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08-28-2007, 02:00 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 9
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Best thing Vans's could do.
The best thing Vans could do is engineer a custom trailer or trailer kit w/custom wing dollies for the 12 and sell them as accessories. This would take priority or a QB or SLSA. If They are going to bet the success of the 12 on the removeable wings - they need to follow through with a trailer.
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08-28-2007, 06:41 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: San Pedro
Posts: 1,013
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Removable wings
I am told that a T-hanger at TOA (Torrance, CA) costs $500/month with an 8 year waiting list. Add to that, the convenience of doing maintenance at home and the fact that nobody will have a chance to rip off your avionics or engine if its at home in a locked garage.
Its a big deal to me - guess I'll get pretty good at removing/installing the wings. I'll have to put up with towing a trailer in SOCAL.
Anybody know which affordable air rivet gun will do the best job?
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