POTUS TFR Incursion

[RV8JD]

Some poor RV-7 pilot didn't have a very good day:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/norad-figh..._headlines_hed

"The U.S. fighter jets intercepted the single engine RV-7 aircraft after the plane entered restricted air space near President Donald Trump’s Bedminster golf club. According to NORAD, the jets fired flares and escorted the plane to a nearby airport."

""This afternoon, a small aircraft violated the restricted airspace near Trump National Golf Club, Bedminster, NJ," the U.S. Secret Service said in a statement. "The pilot of the small aircraft did not respond to radio communications and U.S. military aircraft were launched. Communications were subsequently established with the pilot and the aircraft landed as directed.""

[Thermos]

Oops.

and more words

[cderk]

Unfortunately, I live in this area and see people busting the TFR every weekend Trump is here. There is no reason for it. Can’t understand why people continue to be stupid and not do any preflight planning. This is just as bad as running out of fuel. No excuse.

Looks like he was from MS
https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/eas...olice-say.html

[alcladrv]

Last weekend, I was speaking to FSS prior to departing HPN VFR to the southwest. I could see a charted TFR for Trump's later departure from MMU, but not the current one while he was at Bedminster. The briefer volunteered that they didn't have the current TFR in their system, but his supervisor had told him that Skyvector had it charted. Sure enough, I could see it on the Skyvector website. As a result, I didn't become an incursion statistic.

I always call FSS about TFRs, BUT if the briefer hadn't volunteered that he had other information, I could have intruded on the TFR. I almost feel that I got lucky because the briefer shared his "other information".

By the way, I was was IFR inbound to HPN 2 days prior on my planned route around the TFR and ATC vectored me and others through the TFR. I appreciated the shortcut.

Y'all be careful out there.

[jcarne]

Another reason I love my ForeFlight.

[fl-mike]

TFRs are the stupidest thing since automatic seatbelts. Feel-good security theater.

[Tom023]

Unfortunately if a TFR doesn’t show up in Garmin Pilot or on my G3X I might find escorts next to me too! I haven’t called a briefer in 10 years...maybe I need to be more careful.

[storm_pilot]

FWIW this is the "official" TFR website:

https://tfr.faa.gov/tfr2/list.html

I generally fly IFR everywhere I go for work but use foreflight and/or skyvector for preflight brief and they always seem to have TFRs depicted well. I have a Dynon HDX in my cub with ADSB in/out and its "supposed" to depict TFRs real-time.

[alcladrv]

Even the "official" TFR site has a big red-boxed CYA at the bottom which reads:

Depicted TFR data may not be a complete listing. Pilots should not use the information on this website for flight planning purposes. For the latest information, call your local Flight Service Station at 1-800-WX-BRIEF.

That's why I always call, BUT if the FSS doesn't even have the "latest" TFR charted, as was my case, it seems we, the pilots, would still be to blame, because we all know what rolls downhill! I highly doubt Foreflight, Garmin Pilot or ADS-B would take the rap for an uncharted active TFR.

Y'all be careful out there.

[RV8JD]

Originally Posted by fl-mike

TFRs are the stupidest thing since automatic seatbelts. Feel-good security theater.

And the dumbest TFRs are the new Stadium TFRs for the belated MLB season.

A couple of weeks ago I got a sad "shake-my-head" chuckle when I opened up ForeFlight: MLB games started up again, and the Mariners were playing the Athletics in Seattle. And new Stadium TFRs popped up.

But … there are no thousands of fans allowed to attend the games due to CV-19 (unless you count the cardboard cutouts of people sold for $30 each!). So why do they need TFRs? (Yes, I know it’s the guv’mt, but Sheesh!)



The "fans" in the stadium!