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Old 07-24-2020, 02:17 PM
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It is amazing to me how many people want an Amateur-Built Airplane, but don't want to build it.
Here's where the FAA cracks me up though. In order to for it to be experimental you have to build it but if it's a kit you might have to check for 51% rule, yet you can't get any credit for your A&P certificate for fabricating a plane. HHMMMM?

I'm in that group who wants and owns experimentals and would like to build them but recognize my limitations. If I had the ability to fabricate parts like others do I would do it and go study and take classes and get my A&P. I don't have that ability so I forget about the A&P but I still buy experimental aircraft because I do have some ability and I can fix things myself with limited supervision.
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Old 07-24-2020, 02:34 PM
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It is amazing to me how many people want an Amateur-Built Airplane, but don't want to build it.
Some of us build so we can afford the plane we want, not because we want to expend as much energy as possible building.

Still more of us build for "education", which is the main the purpose of the category. How much was I educated by match-drilling 10,000 holes? Don't get me wrong, it adds to the sense of accomplishment, and I'm sure I'll enjoy looking down my nose at the people who opted for this option because I did it "the old fashioned way", but in reality, I'll just be jealous.

Did you walk uphill both ways in the snow to your shop while you were building, too?
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Old 07-24-2020, 02:54 PM
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Some of us build so we can afford the plane we want, not because we want to expend as much energy as possible building.

Still more of us build for "education", which is the main the purpose of the category. How much was I educated by match-drilling 10,000 holes? Don't get me wrong, it adds to the sense of accomplishment, and I'm sure I'll enjoy looking down my nose at the people who opted for this option because I did it "the old fashioned way", but in reality, I'll just be jealous.

Did you walk uphill both ways in the snow to your shop while you were building, too?

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Old 07-24-2020, 02:59 PM
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I welcome the change. Thanks Vans.
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Old 07-24-2020, 03:46 PM
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....How much was I educated by match-drilling 10,000 holes? Don't get me wrong, it adds to the sense of accomplishment....
Your kit had holes that came already located and prepunched? Wow!

Now, back in my day, young man.....

Seriously, though, this a hugely welcome change. Good for Van's.

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Old 07-24-2020, 04:10 PM
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Did you walk uphill both ways in the snow to your shop while you were building, too?
You knew my Dad???
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Old 07-24-2020, 04:23 PM
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Since I already have all the major kits that have to be match drilled I will some day be able to tell those d**n kids to get off my lawn too!
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Old 07-24-2020, 04:53 PM
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Since I already have all the major kits that have to be match drilled I will some day be able to tell those d**n kids to get off my lawn too!
You have no idea...
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Old 07-24-2020, 06:24 PM
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Here's where the FAA cracks me up though. In order to for it to be experimental you have to build it but if it's a kit you might have to check for 51% rule, yet you can't get any credit for your A&P certificate for fabricating a plane. HHMMMM?

I'm in that group who wants and owns experimentals and would like to build them but recognize my limitations. If I had the ability to fabricate parts like others do I would do it and go study and take classes and get my A&P. I don't have that ability so I forget about the A&P but I still buy experimental aircraft because I do have some ability and I can fix things myself with limited supervision.
You have to remember that an A&P is not an aircraft god - the license allows you to do maintenance according to established procedures and manuals. Yes, you learn techniques of fabrication, but just barely - the riveting section of an A&P test could be passed by anyone that has assembled a Van’s toolbox, and that is way, way down on the eventual learning curve of someone that finishes an RV.

The bottom line is that building and maintaining are two separate skills that inform each other, but don’t map directly together.
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Old 07-24-2020, 06:58 PM
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...The bottom line is that building and maintaining are two separate skills that inform each other, but don’t map directly together.
Paul has it right.

Also, inspection is another distinct skill that doesn't necessarily overlap the others, although we wish it did.
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