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06-15-2020, 06:39 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2017
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RV14 "The Rabbit"
Hey guys, we have a new RV-14 on the field (tail dragger).
On both wheel and 3-point landings, there's a lot of bounce. 70-73kts over the threshold, mains touching at the 7:00 position, right on the stall, a lot of bouncing down the runway (hence, the nickname). It's exaggerated on wheel landings.
With no 14 tail dragger experience, curious if you guys are experiencing the same thing and what you have done to adjust or any tips you may have?
Also, what tire pressures on the mains are you running?
Thanks! 
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06-15-2020, 08:43 AM
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Bill, perhaps you might tell us about pilot experience here.
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06-15-2020, 01:29 PM
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Bkervaski,
In my only 30 hours of phase one, I find over the fence speeds of 65 kts better .
If I come in any faster I too can bounce a little if I over flare.
I am very happy with the ground handling and i operate out of a 500 metre strip which I would only use 300 metres of when landing.
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06-15-2020, 10:08 PM
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I don?t find the gear to be bouncy but it will bounce if you put it on too hard or fast. I suggest with a three point landing that you hold it off until the stick is fully aft. As far as a wheelie, approach it a bit faster (75-80) go for a soft touchdown then stick forward slightly to hold the front tires down.
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06-15-2020, 10:40 PM
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If I remember only 3 things from my RV-14 lessons with Mike Seager when I get my plane in the air, they will be: 1. 75 knots over the fence. 2. It?s squirrelly on the mains. 3. If I don?t get the stick 100% all the way back to the stop, Mike will come to my airport and sternly tell me to get it there.
Any chance the pilot is relaxing the stick on touchdown instead of following through to the stop?
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06-16-2020, 04:47 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2014
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I have just finished phase 1. After a lot of 3 pt landings in an RV6 over 20 years, I find I struggle with patience waiting for the 14 to slow and settle. Wheel landings are different story - 70 knots over the fence and decelerating, 32 lbs in the tire, and landings are a dream. Higher tire pressures have resulted in good bounces.
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06-16-2020, 06:47 AM
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Maybe I don't have a clue here but if you have to lower tire pressure to get a good landing somethings wrong.
I've heard customers say before that after I aired up their tires they can't land, I suggest they get some additional instruction instead of lowering tire pressure.
Maybe my7A is unique but I can land on the mains with no bouncing at 55psi.
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06-16-2020, 07:17 AM
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If the 14 is like the 6 in that the wing is not stalled when in 3-point attitude, then you'll have to use similar technique for a 3-point... If you stall it onto the runway (stick full back), the tail will hit first. Do it a lot, and your tail cone will show the damage.
In general the advice I was given (and seems to be correct) is that if you're bouncing a lot when 3-pointing, you're coming in too fast. And if you're bouncing while wheel landing, you're coming in with too much vertical velocity, and/or you're not checking forward enough on the stick to keep the wheels pinned after touchdown.
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06-16-2020, 07:21 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2017
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Good info, thanks all, keep it coming
The reason I asked about the tire pressure was that I incorrectly assumed this plane, coming from the west coast to Alabama, was filled at a different altitude and understood that the tires haven't been checked since. My thoughts were they were over pressurized. Turned out not to be the case, the tires were actually slightly low.
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06-16-2020, 07:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DanH
Bill, perhaps you might tell us about pilot experience here.
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The pilot, who may chime in, is a seasoned airline captain, very excited to re-learn small aircraft after being a CFI early in his career.
We've been spending time together getting him reoriented to GA and introduced to experimentals. He's been spending time with a local CFI rediscovering his tail wheel experience.
His new-to-him 14 had 55 hours when he picked it up, still full of gremlins. We're working them out.
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Last edited by bkervaski : 06-16-2020 at 07:30 AM.
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