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05-20-2020, 05:08 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Trinity,NC
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Tail wheel Endorsement Needed-Insurance advice
Looking for any advice on where to get a tail wheel endorsement around the piedmont triad aera in NC.
Since I have zero time in tail wheel and type, the insurance quote stated I would also need 25 hours total tailwheel and a CFI checkout in type prior to any coverage. Is this the norm for zero time TW pilots?
I plan to do the RV 14 with Mike to take care of checkout but I first need to start building up TW time.
Thanks
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05-20-2020, 05:27 AM
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Boston, MA
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Originally Posted by LR60
Is this the norm for zero time TW pilots?
I plan to do the RV 14 with Mike to take care of checkout but I first need to start building up TW time.
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Is it the norm? I would think so, but I never went through the transition. Can't help you with location, but I believe the transition would take 5-10 hours depending on your flying experience. Then rent something like a Citabria or Decathlon to build some time, experience and confidence. You should be all set for your 14 transition training with Mike by then.
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05-20-2020, 06:13 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SC
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There are two places around Charlotte, but I don't know about the Triad area.
There a number of tailwheel RV's in that area, so someone must be instructing with a TW aircraft.
Yes, it typically takes around 10 hours to get your TW endorsement.
Good luck!
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05-20-2020, 06:27 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Charlotte NC
Posts: 1,166
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I had no such requirement when I purchased a RV6 with zero tailwheel time. They only required that I receive the endorsement.
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05-20-2020, 07:13 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Winston-Salem, N.C.
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Mark,
Mikey Mathews at Lake Norman does the TW endorsments and has a bunch of RV time. He is very good, and well recommended. A friend of mine who just bought an RV-4 that I ferried back to NC from Fla. He went down to Jan Bussel in Okeechobee for a long weekend and got his TW endorsment there, as well as RV training. Jan has 2 RV-6's. Sugar Valley over near me in Mocksville/Advance area had a Carbon Cub they were renting, but Im not sure if they are still doing that.The fact that you are going to have a zero hour new RV-14 in phase one is your biggest hurdle, and you may consider a seasoned RV pilot as 2nd crew member which is now allowed for your first part of phase one.Look forward to coming a and chat about your project..dang KC-10's have me busy !
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05-20-2020, 07:18 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: OK
Posts: 82
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Originally Posted by N941WR
Yes, it typically takes around 10 hours to get your TW endorsement.
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10 hours? I would say that is excessive unless there are some issues going on with the training.
Mark,
If you need 25 hours it might help to find a place that will rent you the TW airplane once you have your endorsement. I know a lot of the schools only fly them dual.
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05-20-2020, 07:38 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Sunman, IN
Posts: 2,189
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Why?
Why would you think 10 hours is excessive?
If that is what it takes, that is what it takes...
It has been my experience that folks who don't think they need the instruction, actually take longer to become proficient...
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05-20-2020, 07:53 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: OK
Posts: 82
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rocketman1988
Why would you think 10 hours is excessive?
If that is what it takes, that is what it takes...
It has been my experience that folks who don't think they need the instruction, actually take longer to become proficient...
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Because its like getting your PPL in 2-3 months but it took 100+ hours to complete. The CFI is probably wasting your time flying stuff that is not helping the student become proficient in the required flying.
Even if the student is rusty you should be able to knock that off in a flight or two. But yes you are right there is always that student that needs extra flying. I still feel that 10 hours of dual is excessive. Now if you are saying 4 hours of that are ground instruction then that is more realistic.
Remember there are student pilots soloing tail wheel airplanes with not many more hours than that.
Cheers.
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05-20-2020, 09:03 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Sunman, IN
Posts: 2,189
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...and
...and there are B-777 Captains with 30,000 hours that take substantially more than 10 hours...what is your point?
The instructor will provide the endorsement when he is confident in the student's ability...and putting an arbitrary number on that is ridiculous...
I know of several places tailwheel instruction is given and they pretty much say 10-15 hours. If you do it in less, great but the problem is if you say 5 and the student gets to 8, they begin to get frustrated.
It is very difficult to learn anything once frustration sets in...
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Aerospace Engineer '88
RV-10
Structure - 90% Done
Cabin Top - Aaarrghhh...
EFII System 32 - Done
297 HP Barrett Hung
ShowPlanes Cowl with Skybolts Fitted - Beautiful
Wiring...
Dues+ Paid 2019,...Thanks DR+
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05-20-2020, 09:14 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SC
Posts: 12,887
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zmatt
10 hours? I would say that is excessive unless there are some issues going on with the training.
Mark,
If you need 25 hours it might help to find a place that will rent you the TW airplane once you have your endorsement. I know a lot of the schools only fly them dual.
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What part of "typically" don't you understand?
Some take more, others less. In talking with friends who have gotten their TW endorsement that seems to be a good number.
Most get really frustrated around the four to six hour mark and then it just "clicks". The rest of the time the instructor will spend making sure they have it and then focusing on crosswind landings, wheel landings, three point landings, etc.
Also, the reason they fly them with an instructor only is because even with 10 hours of instruction, the insurance companies won't trust their insured aircraft with newly endorsed TW pilots.
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Bill R.
RV-9 (Yes, it's a dragon tail)
O-360 w/ dual P-mags
Build the plane you want, not the plane others want you to build!
SC86 - Easley, SC
www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html
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