VansAirForceForums  
Home > VansAirForceForums

- POSTING RULES
- Donate yearly (please).
- Advertise in here!
- Today's Posts | Insert Pics


Go Back   VAF Forums > Model Specific > RV-12/RV-12iS
Reload this Page PA-28-180 to RV12 - Am I crazy?
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
Page 4 of 6 « First < 23 4 56 >
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #31  
Old 05-12-2020, 06:28 AM
JFCRV12 JFCRV12 is offline
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Liberty Township OH
Posts: 97
Default
[EDIT] -- Ah, I see you're running a UL Power 350IS... That makes more sense now.

How in the world are you getting 125KTAS on 4.7 in an RV-12 let alone 138KTAS? Are the book #s that conservative?

Quote:
Originally Posted by rongawer View Post
It all depends on how you build your -12, but I have yet to see a PA28 do 138KTAS... or cruise 125KTAS on 4.7 gph.
Last edited by JFCRV12 : 05-12-2020 at 06:45 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 05-12-2020, 07:23 AM
Paragon Paragon is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Posts: 77
Default
JVC,

I'm an aircraft owner wannabe in your area. Went to EAA meetings at KHAO, until I decided buying an existing aircraft was better for me than building.

I may be a potential buyer for your Cherokee if you sell it. Or maybe partner.

I have flown an RV-12 with Van's east coast rep. Very nimble aircraft with excellent modern avionics.

But there are some drawbacks.

1. Very low wing loading - I would expect to bounce around a lot in turbulence, and would expect landing in gusty conditions to be challenging.
2. Didn't care for fuel tank behind seats from a safety standpoint.
3. Visibility was great, but canopy was in head-banging range for a tall pilot, and Garmin screens were rather washed out in bright sunlight.
4. Overall impression of RV-12 was "flimsy". Perhaps all LSA's are. Lots of airframe SBs to comply with.

The RV-12is is a significant improvement in many areas except low wing loading.

Also have flown an RV-9a, which was excellent in many respects. Haven't flown a PA-28, but would like to.

PM me if you'd like to discuss further.

-Paragon
Cincinnati, OH
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 05-12-2020, 07:30 AM
Piper J3's Avatar
Piper J3 Piper J3 is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Hinckley, Ohio
Posts: 2,056
Default
"flimsy" Better put on a flame suit...
__________________
-
Jim Stricker
EAA #499867
PPL/ASEL 1970 - Sport Pilot since 2007
80 hrs Flying Aeronca Chief 11AC N86203
1130 hrs Flying 46 Piper J-3 Cub N6841H
Bought Flying RV-12 #120058 Oct 2015 with 48TT - Hobbs now 618
LSRM-A Certificate 2016 for RV-12 N633CM
Special Thanks... EJ Trucks - USN Crew Chief A-4 Skyhawk
MJ Stricker (Father & CFI) - USAAF 1st Lt. Captain B-17H
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 05-12-2020, 05:42 PM
DaveWelch DaveWelch is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Huntsville, AL
Posts: 426
Default flimsy?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Piper J3 View Post
"flimsy" Better put on a flame suit...
Or look at one being built...
__________________
Dave
RV12 N951DZ
First Flight 9/23/16!
No paint yet. Working on a scheme with John Deere colors or accents.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 05-15-2020, 09:03 AM
NinerBikes NinerBikes is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Granada Hills
Posts: 811
Default
Just what is the skin thickness of the aluminum on a RV-12 to get 750 # vs 1050 or so on a svelte RV-9A ? .020" vs .025" or ???
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 05-15-2020, 10:13 AM
rongawer rongawer is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Brentwood, CA
Posts: 658
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by NinerBikes View Post
Just what is the skin thickness of the aluminum on a RV-12 to get 750 # vs 1050 or so on a svelte RV-9A ? .020" vs .025" or ???
Nearly all of the skins are 0.025". Section 4 of the KAI lists each of them for reference. There are numerous reasons the 9 has a higher empty weight than the 12, starting with the engine and prop, but it's also a slightly larger aircraft overall (longer wings and bigger fuselage).

With your new acquisition, if you haven't already done so, I recommend buying the drawing USB file drive from Van's.
__________________
Ron Gawer

- RV10, Build in progress.
- RV12, N975G, "The Commuter"...many great hours and happy landings so far.
- Several others that are now just great memories for me.
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 06-01-2020, 10:43 PM
NinerBikes NinerBikes is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Granada Hills
Posts: 811
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by rongawer View Post
Nearly all of the skins are 0.025". Section 4 of the KAI lists each of them for reference. There are numerous reasons the 9 has a higher empty weight than the 12, starting with the engine and prop, but it's also a slightly larger aircraft overall (longer wings and bigger fuselage).

With your new acquisition, if you haven't already done so, I recommend buying the drawing USB file drive from Van's.
It will be coming with the big build notebook, on rings. Had to go digging in section 43 C and D today.... to get a feel for the layout of the avionics up against the firewall, behind the instrument panel... Backup Battery time for the Skyview. Might need to find a ferry to get her back home.
__________________
2020 Dues paid
N72DJ, RV-12, bought flying. A Blessing in disguise. Thank you Double D!
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 06-02-2020, 07:40 PM
JFCRV12 JFCRV12 is offline
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Liberty Township OH
Posts: 97
Default Welp, I did it
Welp, I did it. I sold the PA28. Now the quest to replace begins. First stop is an RV-12 ride!
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 06-02-2020, 07:57 PM
NinerBikes NinerBikes is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Granada Hills
Posts: 811
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by JFCRV12 View Post
Welp, I did it. I sold the PA28. Now the quest to replace begins. First stop is an RV-12 ride!
Just a fair warning... if you're an older guy that's, ahem, not as svelte as you once were, and two of you go up in the plane climbing, at or near 1320 gross, and then you fly it solo, percentage wise, there is a huge difference in how quickly it climbs. I'm an old 152 and 172 Cessna passenger, and circling to climb was standard back in the day. Not so with the RV-12, unless you have severe density altitude conditions


The RV grin hasn't been patented yet, but it's very hard to fly one solo and not end up wearing one shortly thereafter. Very hard, if you start off near sea level.
__________________
2020 Dues paid
N72DJ, RV-12, bought flying. A Blessing in disguise. Thank you Double D!
Last edited by NinerBikes : 06-02-2020 at 08:18 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 06-02-2020, 08:01 PM
JFCRV12 JFCRV12 is offline
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Liberty Township OH
Posts: 97
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by NinerBikes View Post
Just a fair warning... if you're an older guy that's, ahem, not as svelte as you once were, and two of you go up in the plane climbing, at or near 1320 gross, and then you fly it solo, percentage wise, there is a huge difference in how quickly it climbs.

The RV grin hasn't been patented yet, but it's very hard to fly one solo and not end up wearing one shortly thereafter. Very hard, if you start off near sea level.
Field elevation is ~650ft. I?m 6ft 190 and still fair young at 47. Cant wait!
Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 4 of 6 « First < 23 4 56 >

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:14 PM.
Contact Us - VAFForums Home - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top

The VAFForums come to you courtesy Delta Romeo, LLC. By viewing and participating in them you agree to build your plane using standardized methods and practices and to fly it safely and in accordance with the laws governing the country you are located in.