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08-03-2019, 06:00 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2009
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I just installed the Surefly on my Grumman Tiger (via STC) a few weeks ago. I tied the manifold pressure to a fitting I installed on a cylinder plug (located above the primer nozzle). The unit works well. I replaced the left mag so I could get rid of the impulse coupling. About the same weight as a slick magneto and probably won't have to retime or do any maintenance to it. While it doesn't have the internal power generation of a p-mag, I believe it is more simple and less prone to malfunction than the p-mag (however, it needs an external power source to operate properly).
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08-03-2019, 08:52 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Southwest
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Surefly
The real reason I would choose the Surefly over the PMag is that the Surefly doesn't run software. They use a PLD, or Programable Logic Device. This has the firmware burned in and is hardened against software glitches caused by muon particles and such. To me this is the minimum requirement. Being a software guy, I dont like software controlled critical systems. Ya I know, all EFIS’s are software driven, but those are redundant on many levels.
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04-26-2020, 07:18 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Largo, FL
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Help me to decide, please -- Advanced or not
I have my Surefly on order to replace my Bendix impulse mag -- also have a "Slick-type) harness on order. I have run the power wire with the 10A fuse from the battery, and ready to go on the install ----
My choices are to hook it up as "fixed" timing (25*) or hook up the MAP for automatic timing advance. My engine is a Lyc O360A1A with added FI and Hartzell CS. My average flying is mostly hamburger runs, instrument currency, "play-time" and the occasional cross country -- most everything at less than 10K MSL. I average 50-60hrs /yr on this machine.
So, question for those with EIs with and without advance -- for my profile, any advantage/disadvantage to going with the timing advance hookup?
Thanks for the help,
Ron
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04-26-2020, 07:29 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Fredericksburg, Tx.
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Mag replacement
I second Ron?s question. We do a lot of cross country and some high altitude. I?m due a 500 hour AD now. This seems like a good option. Thanks
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04-26-2020, 07:58 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Florida
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Surely is offering 15% discount right now.
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04-26-2020, 08:08 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: 08A
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Plenty of opinions. Data here:
https://www.danhorton.net/Misc/Nigel...Advance%20.pdf
Other than running a MAP line, there is no installation difference. If you want to try both fixed and variable timing, you'll need to pull it off the accessory case to change the DIP switch settings.
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04-26-2020, 08:13 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Central IL
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What is the SureFly advance curve (vs MAP) for the parallel valve? I looked at all the literature and can not find that.
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04-26-2020, 08:41 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: 08A
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BillL
What is the SureFly advance curve (vs MAP) for the parallel valve? I looked at all the literature and can not find that.
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Was on the home page, but not now. They may have made some changes.
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04-27-2020, 07:59 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Seattle, WA
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OK, my dumb question..
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but how does it work when running a single electronic mag with variable advance timing? In this case you would have an electronic mag with variable advance timing next to a conventional mag with fixed timing. Obviously, this mismatch would not work. 
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04-27-2020, 08:03 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Cedar Park, TX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 71459
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but how does it work when running a single electronic mag with variable advance timing? In this case you would have an electronic mag with variable advance timing next to a conventional mag with fixed timing. Obviously, this mismatch would not work. 
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