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Old 07-25-2007, 08:24 PM
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Rob, thanks for the URL to Aero TV.

The disappointing thing is that Van didn't get into any of the details of whats next for the RV-12 such as:

Status of the revised kit.
New wing selection.
Any changes of the fuel tank size, shape or position.
Target kit production date.

After flying the Sport Cruiser I'm convicned I would be very content with a light sport aircraft. So I am ready to sign up for a 12 (after I get a ride in the new and improved version to confirm the results of the redesign.)

I'm thinking Sun and Fun next year might be the earliest I will get that opportunity.

Thanks again for the heads up to Aero TV.

Does anyone know if Vans is giving a talk about the 12 at an Oshkosh forum and could they relay that information to this site?

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Old 07-25-2007, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FrankS
Rob, thanks for the URL to Aero TV.

The disappointing thing is that Van didn't get into any of the details of whats next for the RV-12 such as:

Status of the revised kit.
New wing selection.
Any changes of the fuel tank size, shape or position.
Target kit production date.

After flying the Sport Cruiser I'm convicned I would be very content with a light sport aircraft. So I am ready to sign up for a 12 (after I get a ride in the new and improved version to confirm the results of the redesign.)

I'm thinking Sun and Fun next year might be the earliest I will get that opportunity.

Thanks again for the heads up to Aero TV.

Does anyone know if Vans is giving a talk about the 12 at an Oshkosh forum and could they relay that information to this site?

Frank
I agree. I want to see the removable wings in action. I want to know real world "trailorability." I want.......Sound like a teenager, don't I.

I read on another post that an RV-12 presentation by Van is scheduled for Thursday! I hope good stuff is relayed then.

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Old 08-09-2007, 12:28 AM
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Well, I don't really know what will sell an LSA, but Cessna must. According to AVweb they've sold 720 SkyCatchers since OSH.

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news..._195875-1.html
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Old 08-09-2007, 06:46 AM
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LSA will fail if the target is merely the 700-thousand existing pilots. We'd all have to lose our medical at once to make that option viable.

LSA will succeed when vendors find a way to reach the 50 MILLION or so who would take up flying as a passtime if it were no more difficult, dangerous, or expensive than golf or motorcyling.

None of the current offerings even come close to reaching that market. Most are rag-and-tube Cub lookalikes that the average joe would never set foot in, much less purchase. A few, like the -12, at least look modern, but they still aren't any easier to fly.

Here's what's needed:

-- Modern, sporty look that inspires confidence
-- Automotive-style interior
-- Stall-proof (or at least idiot-resistant)
-- No rudder pedals
-- No mixture control
-- Drives like a car
-- Twist-grip accelerator, with detents for take-off, climb, cruise, land.
-- Traffic display
-- On-board weather
-- GPS that displays a map that a non-pilot might recognize (and doesn't require a degree to operate).
-- Glideslope landing display with integrated AOA
-- A few, simple guages that don't all look the same to non-pilots
-- Idiot lights to monitor systems
In other words, an updated Ercoupe with modern avionics (some of which hasn't been invented yet).

Then, someone needs to invent a new kind of airport where people can go to fly these things. It will look more like a country club than an airport. Most people will be about as likely to buy their own plane as they would a golf cart.

And we'll need some way to manage a 50-fold increase in the number of aircraft in the air. LSA's will probably need an autopilot that prevents the plane from getting too close to other traffic or venturing into commercial airspace.

If it sounds expensive, it would still be an order of magnitude simpler than a Corolla. How much do you think your Toyota would cost if they only built 500 a year?
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Old 08-09-2007, 08:11 AM
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ExAB: can a sport pilot ticket fly that classification?
Yes. As long as the plane meets the LSA requirements. It is the same as the certificated airplanes that meet the LSA requirements (i.e. Champ, ErCoupe, Taylorcraft, etc.). These planes are not registered LSA's but a sport pilot can pilot them.
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