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Old 01-27-2020, 06:41 AM
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Anything high wing, preferably 4 seats.
Anything without an engine!
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Old 02-19-2020, 02:16 PM
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if they did a 6 place, or even just a bigger 4 place I would buy it. At this point I am probably going to build an RV-10 eventually but I already know it is really too small for my family. nothing else comparable in speed/economy and technology on the market though.
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Old 02-19-2020, 02:50 PM
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LSA with tailwheel and something besides a Rotax on the nose. But it would have to be immediate to help me!
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Old 05-25-2020, 12:30 AM
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Ive been looking at building something and a big factor for me is time. It seems other companies are working at making their kits flyable around 1k hour. I think building will be an amazing experience but dont want to spend 5 years doing it AND spend a ton because it pushes me back into the ease of just renting. Id love a revised RV4/8 but a small high wing 4 seater XC 4cyl 140-150kts would be amazing! Give it the ability to switch between tri/TD with some STOL quality's and youll have a winner!
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Old 05-25-2020, 06:27 AM
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According to my 6-year son old who spends a good bit of time in the back of my -4 there are only 3 points to consider for the next gen RV:

1. At least 800-HP
2. 300 MPH+ cruise
3. Retractable gear
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Old 05-25-2020, 08:45 AM
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I would absolutely build a 6-seat RV. Sure there are tons of Cherokee 6s, Bonanzas, and others out there. But they are (mostly) ancient, underperforming (compared to what an RV could do), expensive to maintain, and lack the benefit of Van's approach to new aircraft.

Diesel power would be a major plus.

If they could come up with a fixed gear six seater with decent performance and range and a truly useful useful load, I would be in line.
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Old 05-25-2020, 10:06 AM
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I would absolutely build a 6-seat RV.

Diesel power would be a major plus.
Educate me, why diesel powered?
A Lycoming running lean of peak is really efficient. And relatively cheap compared to turbines and airborne diesels?
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Old 05-25-2020, 10:33 AM
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Educate me, why diesel powered?
A Lycoming running lean of peak is really efficient. And relatively cheap compared to turbines and airborne diesels?

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Old 05-25-2020, 01:50 PM
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Educate me, why diesel powered?
A Lycoming running lean of peak is really efficient. And relatively cheap compared to turbines and airborne diesels?
Honestly, I think a good Diesel solution will eventually overtake the avgas powered engines. The complexity of making avgas along with the need to get the lead out eventually will drive the worldwide GA piston fleet toward Diesel.

The energy density of Diesel fuels is better. Lack of lead improves a number of things including greater time between engine oil changes (using synthetic lubricating oils). The cost of Diesel / Jet A is much cheaper (mostly because of the aforementioned complexities of making avgas and the fact that avgas is a relatively low volume product for the refineries that still manufacture it).

What will make a "good" Diesel engine solution? In my opinion:

1. Comparable cost to avgas-burners. While the existing Diesel cycle engines come with a high capital cost, this will be achieved due to economies of scale as the Diesel fleet expands overseas first and then in the US.

2. Manufacturer support. Van's and other kit makers, as certain Diesel solutions emerge, will likely officially support alternate engine packages with firewall forward kits, or perhaps the engine manufacturers will support popular airframes. This will pretty much be a must, as only the most dedicated among experimenters have the guts to try out engines not provided with an easy firewall forward installation, or not proven in aviation.

3. Proven reliability and maintenance costs. This only happens once the Diesel fleet grows and matures.

It's not an overnight change for sure, but I think avgas will be on the way out within 15 years.

The big question in my mind is whether electric batteries/capacitors/flow batteries will ever become competitive in terms of energy density with liquid hydrocarbon fuels. When that happens, for better or worse, IC engines in general will be on their last legs.

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Old 05-25-2020, 02:46 PM
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The problem for an airplane designer is that if they pick the wrong choice of engine, the airplane is a market failure. That's happened for a number of airplanes and so far, Van's has consistently chosen engines that are reliable, available and thoroughly proven. I, for one, think that is the right way to do it.

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