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Old 02-05-2020, 03:40 PM
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Non ?standard? engine configurations are often difficult to sell. I realize we never plan to sell our machines but life sometimes doesn?t go to plan. While you may decide the risk is reasonable others may not.
Yup, that one is on the list if people don't already know. You'll never get the same price with a non-standard engine.

I know I didn't build my plane with resale in mind. If I get zero for it at the end, I'm ok with that. I'll have learned a lot, enjoyed the experience doing the FWF and supporting systems and building it plus flying it for 2-3 decades hopefully.

You won't get much for a 20 year old car either but people still but new ones and suffer massive depreciation.

Airplanes are mostly poor investment vehicles.

You do these things for the satisfaction and enjoyment.
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Old 02-05-2020, 03:46 PM
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"...Knowing what they know now, they might have decided to do a clean sheet design, rather than relying on the proven results of the 737..."

Or, they could have invested in the 757, which is a MUCH better aircraft...
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Old 02-05-2020, 03:52 PM
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Ross,

I get what you're saying and can't disagree. However your resume and capability is far different than the average Van's customer. You can probably count on one hand the guys in your clubhouse.
However, the numbers don't lie. Something like 3 of the first 4 RV10 hull losses were alternative and the 4th flew into a thunderstorm.

Van's could no doubt sell a lot more kits to a broader audience if there were attractive propulsion packages at lower cost. So far they haven't embraced that route. Quite the contrary actually.
Back in the day I talked at length with Jan and Bud Warren who both had attractive pitches to a newbie like me but the comment about trusting Van's (from you) resonated and I went the Van's way and with the passage of time am ever so glad that I did. Now I'm saving to buy your system to add to it.
Yes, I'm certainly saying that few people have the skills to do an alt engine conversion and make it successful and lots of attempts have turned out bad or tragic as we've seen. I've seen many myself over the years which is why I offer the advice I do.

"What do you think about this engine Ross?" 90% of the time I advise them to consider a Lyconental instead. Fortunately, most heed that advice in the end though some might get part way down the path before they realize their folly.

I think you made the right choice for you.

Certainly too, the safety record isn't so good as you and I both pointed out.
Some people fairly ask because they don't know all these things. We should gently point out the facts in aid of letting them make a more informed decision.
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Old 02-05-2020, 04:26 PM
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I love to read, and read, and read about different subjects I am interested in. I have read and read about LS engines in aircraft, But I cant ever come across current info on anyone actually flying the LS motor.
A little back ground, I am a mechanic by trade, I own and solely operate a golf cart and motorcycle shop. I build things all day, therefore I decided to build an airplane. I chose an RV-10, (for more reasons than I have time to discuss). I love the fact that I have a choice to put an automotive engine in an RV, and have read all the pro/not too many cons. But i have not heard from anyone on the forums about THE SIMPLE, I FLEW MY LS MOTOR IN MY RV AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS IN THE SKY.
Now I don't want to start a debate thread, I just want to hear from people actually flying an LS in an RV, so I can make a decision as to what engine I am going to run.
Brian Robinson has been installing and flying them for over 20 years. He has probably had the most success of anyone that I've read about. I've emailed him on and off over the past two decades and he has been very responsive. If I was going to consider an LS, he would be one of my first calls. Brian lists the RV 10 as suitable installation candidate.

http://v8seabee.com/conversion-kits/compatibility.html
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Old 02-05-2020, 05:26 PM
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"...Knowing what they know now, they might have decided to do a clean sheet design, rather than relying on the proven results of the 737..."

Or, they could have invested in the 757, which is a MUCH better aircraft...
Performance wise, absolutely. I've flown both and the 757 (-200 version) is an amazing airplane.

However, passengers want cheap seats and the airlines oblige so they are interested in cost per available seat mile. The 737NG (and MAX) wins on most counts.

As to the clean sheet design, Boeing's two largest 737 customers (SWA and RYA) would most likely demand a common type rating with the 737. That would be a bit difficult to achieve.

Sorry for the thread drfit.
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Old 02-05-2020, 05:54 PM
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Yep, and that is why a brand new 737-900 looks like it is 40 years old inside...

I too, have flown the 757 and currently the 737. I long to return to the 757 because it is such an awesome aircraft. The 737 may be a cheap seat but coming across the country this morning at 340, those passengers would likely have paid the premium for the 757 to get the smooth ride at 420...

I don’t think they can put any more lipstick on the 737...
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Brian Robinson has been installing and flying them for over 20 years. He has probably had the most success of anyone that I've read about. I've emailed him on and off over the past two decades and he has been very responsive. If I was going to consider an LS, he would be one of my first calls. Brian lists the RV 10 as suitable installation candidate.

http://v8seabee.com/conversion-kits/compatibility.html
Brian has been doing it for a number of years but there have still been failures on customer aircraft. One was stranded in the far north for many months after a piston failure.

While his Hy-Vo drive seems very reliable, it is very heavy and expensive. Not suitable for an RV IMO.
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Old 02-06-2020, 05:24 AM
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Brian has been doing it for a number of years but there have still been failures on customer aircraft. One was stranded in the far north for many months after a piston failure.

While his Hy-Vo drive seems very reliable, it is very heavy and expensive. Not suitable for an RV IMO.
Don't disagree with anything you said. They aren't for me, but if I was going to give it a go, I think I'd spend some serious time with Brian.
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