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Old 01-23-2020, 12:34 PM
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Old 01-23-2020, 12:37 PM
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Synergy Air South. They specialize in RV build assist but it’s worth the call.

https://synergyair.com/about-synergy/

If you don’t have any luck there, try Kent Gorton with CAVU Wings LLC. He’s a neighbor but his shop is at Griffin Spaulding County airport. (314) 368-6007. I know he’s pretty busy too.
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Old 01-23-2020, 01:51 PM
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Thanks Mike! I just left a msg for Vic.
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Old 01-23-2020, 02:03 PM
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Old 01-26-2020, 01:40 PM
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Synergy Air South. They specialize in RV build assist but it?s worth the call.

https://synergyair.com/about-synergy/

If you don?t have any luck there, try Kent Gorton with CAVU Wings LLC. He?s a neighbor but his shop is at Griffin Spaulding County airport. (314) 368-6007. I know he?s pretty busy too.
Thanks Krea!
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Old 01-26-2020, 04:28 PM
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Default Switching to SDS EM-5 & Vetterman

I started out looking for help to install the EFII sys32 & Powerflow, but after a lot of reading, and some very good input from VAF members, I'm now thinking I'll go with the SDS EM-5 and Vetterman exhaust.

The Vetterman exhaust is MUCH less expensive ($1,400) than the Powerflow ($3,500), and I can't find anyone who argues there's a significant difference. So, $2k saved there.

And, after reading extensively on the (confusing) SDS site, it looks like Ross has 1) a lot more experience and 2) a better-quality product, when it comes to the electronic ignition & injection.

Does anyone here want to venture a guess as to how many hours of labor it would take to install the SDS EM-5 (ignition & injection) on an O-360 A1A, on a Glastar (relatively easy access to everything, on both sides of the firewall)?
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Old 01-26-2020, 09:17 PM
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Hi John,

I think in your case one of the big unknowns is the plumbing. Does the Glastar have a header tank? Remember, in these EFI/EFII systems you’ll be using a high pressure fuel rail with fresh fuel constantly flowing through/around it. That fuel MUST be supplied from and returned to the source from which it was taken. So in the case of RV’s (which doesn’t use a header thank) a duplex fuel valve must be used so the unused fuel can be returned to the same tank from which it was drawn. If your Glastar has a header tank and your engine is currently being supplied with fuel from that header tank, you should be able to just tap back into it for your return flow.

The fuel rail/ injector supply plumbing should be fairly straightforward. Both systems also require a fuel pressure regulator, so that’ll also have to be mounted on the firewall.

Both systems also incorporate duel electrical fuel pumps....(you’ll be removing your manual engine fuel pump). You’ll have to decide on a happy place to install these. Remember, pumps push better than they pull, so keep that in mind when thinking about a place to mount them.

Are you planning on a two battery or two alternator setup?...or maybe both? The bottom line, there’s so many variables to take into consideration that your question as to how many hours are required to do the installation is a very difficult one to answer.

I’ve installed one of theses systems before in a -7, so I’m fairly familiar with them. I’m also about to install one in my -8. Having never installed one of these systems in an -8, but at least being very comfortable with the system overall and understanding how everything works, I’m estimating it’s going to take me between 40-60 hours from start to finish.

Some guys may be able to do the job in half that time and others it may take them more than double that, but I’m guessing it’ll take me about that long to complete the entire transformation on my -8.

These systems really aren’t any different or difficult to install than anything else on the airplane. Just take your time, plan everything out, and take it one step at a time. I think once you have it installed and all dialed in, you’ll be very happy with the results.
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Old 01-27-2020, 06:50 AM
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Hi John,

I think in your case one of the big unknowns is the plumbing. Does the Glastar have a header tank? Remember, in these EFI/EFII systems you?ll be using a high pressure fuel rail with fresh fuel constantly flowing through/around it. That fuel MUST be supplied from and returned to the source from which it was taken. So in the case of RV?s (which doesn?t use a header thank) a duplex fuel valve must be used so the unused fuel can be returned to the same tank from which it was drawn. If your Glastar has a header tank and your engine is currently being supplied with fuel from that header tank, you should be able to just tap back into it for your return flow.

The fuel rail/ injector supply plumbing should be fairly straightforward. Both systems also require a fuel pressure regulator, so that?ll also have to be mounted on the firewall.

Both systems also incorporate duel electrical fuel pumps....(you?ll be removing your manual engine fuel pump). You?ll have to decide on a happy place to install these. Remember, pumps push better than they pull, so keep that in mind when thinking about a place to mount them.

Are you planning on a two battery or two alternator setup?...or maybe both? The bottom line, there?s so many variables to take into consideration that your question as to how many hours are required to do the installation is a very difficult one to answer.

I?ve installed one of theses systems before in a -7, so I?m fairly familiar with them. I?m also about to install one in my -8. Having never installed one of these systems in an -8, but at least being very comfortable with the system overall and understanding how everything works, I?m estimating it?s going to take me between 40-60 hours from start to finish.

Some guys may be able to do the job in half that time and others it may take them more than double that, but I?m guessing it?ll take me about that long to complete the entire transformation on my -8.

These systems really aren?t any different or difficult to install than anything else on the airplane. Just take your time, plan everything out, and take it one step at a time. I think once you have it installed and all dialed in, you?ll be very happy with the results.
Mark,

That makes sense - there's a lot involved here. The Glastar does have 2 small (1 quart) header tanks, one for each wing tank (all gravity fed). That would probably simplify the return fuel lines somewhat, but it's still going to be pretty involved...

Thanks for the feedback!
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Old 01-28-2020, 05:31 AM
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Does anyone here want to venture a guess as to how many hours of labor it would take to install the SDS EM-5 (ignition & injection) on an O-360 A1A, on a Glastar (relatively easy access to everything, on both sides of the firewall)?
I have installed this setup on new RV10, I am probably on the slow side of building but would estimate a at least two weeks for me without the fuel return plumbing aspect. (Just wiring and installation of the electronics). Ross has various options for mounting the coil packs, think through your wire routing aspect prior to making finalizing the coil pack mounting location decision, especially the high voltage plug wires.

- Tasks in front of you are drilling\installing magnets on Flywheel
- Mounting\installation of coil packs and wires. This aspect requires a bit of planning as you need to take care on what wires are next to the high voltage plug wired.
- Installation of fuel manifold and injectors, fuel pressure regulator
- Throttle body installation
- installation on myriad of sensors (MP, Engine temp, air temp, Throttle position sensor)

Good luck, I am getting ready for first flight. Support from Barry & Ross has been outstanding.
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Old 01-28-2020, 06:40 AM
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I have installed this setup on new RV10, I am probably on the slow side of building but would estimate a at least two weeks for me without the fuel return plumbing aspect. (Just wiring and installation of the electronics). Ross has various options for mounting the coil packs, think through your wire routing aspect prior to making finalizing the coil pack mounting location decision, especially the high voltage plug wires.

- Tasks in front of you are drilling\installing magnets on Flywheel
- Mounting\installation of coil packs and wires. This aspect requires a bit of planning as you need to take care on what wires are next to the high voltage plug wired.
- Installation of fuel manifold and injectors, fuel pressure regulator
- Throttle body installation
- installation on myriad of sensors (MP, Engine temp, air temp, Throttle position sensor)

Good luck, I am getting ready for first flight. Support from Barry & Ross has been outstanding.
Thanks Steve! Good luck on your completion and first flight!
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