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Old 12-27-2019, 09:29 AM
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How important is the business travel? I'm not sure what part of the country you live in or where your trips are to, but if the trips are critical then I'd want something with FIKI which would rule an RV-10 out. Otherwise there could potentially be a significant amount of cancellations due to icing conditions. Just food for thought.

Personally I'd suggest getting your certificate and ratings before pulling the trigger on anything.
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Old 12-27-2019, 09:49 AM
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....It'll get you flying right away.......
The OP is still in the process of getting his PPL. Is this really the right first plane for anybody? Personally I would suggest buying or renting a nice 172 for the first couple hundred hours. It will likely take a few years to get the experience to move up to the Bonanza.

I really like Bonanzas but being an MD I figured it best to stay away from a plane dubbed the forked tail doctor killer.
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Old 12-27-2019, 09:53 AM
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Why not just write the check for a flying RV-10?
Yes, buying is an option. There aren't many -10s for sale right now but we are looking.
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Old 12-27-2019, 09:55 AM
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Not sure what the maintenance requirements are where you live but your yearly maintenance cost is going to be more reasonable with the 10. BTW there is a very nice RV-10 for sale in the classified here you might want to consider which is well within your budget.
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Old 12-27-2019, 10:55 AM
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I would choose the RV-10, hands down.

I have owned quite a few GA aircraft over the years, including a Bonanza, and will probably not own another certified aircraft...

For $260k, you will be able to have a really nice RV-10, no matter if you build or buy...
A friendly accomplished lifetime aviator without a dog in the fight who has brokered hundreds of aircraft sales said “RV-10”.

Could go into the myriad of reasons but it has to do with the freedom of ownership with an experimental and the superb all around performance of the Van’s.

I asked for the reason as you having said that this is a Van’s forum go to Beechtalk and it’ll be the opposite.

YMMV
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Old 12-27-2019, 11:52 AM
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Suggest you talk to an aviation insurance agent about your ability and cost for insurance with either the RV-10 or Bonanza. As a pilot just passing his PPL, you may find them reluctant to insure you in either high performance aircraft until you have built more PIC time.

You might consider a Grumman Tiger or 172 as your first plane to build time and get you where you want to go, even if it is a little longer trip at the slower speeds.

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Old 12-27-2019, 12:04 PM
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Yes, buying is an option. There aren't many -10s for sale right now but we are looking.
Do a 4 week taxi to take off program and you can have the RV10 of your dreams with new avionics and zero time engine.
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Old 12-27-2019, 12:16 PM
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As a new VFR pilot, you're going to find the cost of insurance absolutely staggering for a high-performance plane such as the RV-10, nevermind a 6-place retract such as the Bonanza. By all means, check with your insurance agent, but expect requirements to include an instrument rating and significant dual in type.

All of that said, neither plane is a good choice for a fresh PP with zero real world (non-training) experience. Being able to write the check is not the relevant metric. This is very much akin to an aspiring motorcyclist (not yet having passed the basic MSF course) inquiring as to which of two liter+ sportbikes would make a good first purchase.

Also, having to travel for business and deliver the wife to scheduled events are both invitations to get-there-itis that will directly oppose a new pilot's still-developing PIC instincts. Be smart and spend a couple of years acquiring some low-performance initial experience (without any "must fly" pressure) prior to purchasing any sort of high-performance airplane.
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Old 12-27-2019, 12:30 PM
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The Bonanza will ride smoother and will be faster as the -10 is TAS limited. However, assuming the acquisition cost is the same, the -10 will be less expensive to fly and maintain. Reliability may favor the -10 with its fixed gear and less complicated systems. If I was you and ongoing cost was a concern, I?d buy a flying -10. If cost wasn?t a factor, I?d recommend a twin such as an Aerostar, but hey, I?m a tad partial.

A properly equipped and well built -10 is hard to beat. Good luck on your search!

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My first post here, pardon the intrusion with yet another this-vs-that, but I'm in a pickle and seeking an honest advice.

Recently my wife approved our first aircraft budget of $260k. With that, I'm assuming I should be able to get the -10 QB and equip it. I was just about to pull the trigger on the kit but then a random opportunity came along to get a '97 A36 Bonanza with outdated avionics. After limited upgrades and initial maintenance the A36 acquisition should cap at $300k.

The plane will mostly be used for work; we travel two times a week, 1-4 hours at a time for consulting. My wife also rides horses competitively so relies on my delivering her to places (that's probably the reason why she approved the budget ). Putting the thrill of building your own aircraft aside, specially if you have flown a Bonanza, would you go for the new RV-10 and have it "the way you like" or given the opportunity, would you trade it for a used A36? The -10 has a better mpg which is a plus given its mission, maintenance is cheaper specially if done "in house" and the insurance is probably less too. We are scheduled to visit the Van's factory in Feb '20 and get a demo, weather permitted.

I'm still in flight school expected to get my PP license early next year.

Any thoughts or experiences to share greatly appreciated.
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Old 12-27-2019, 01:38 PM
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Nobody has yet mentioned ride in turbulence or handling qualities when IFR, not to mention that ability to carry small amounts of ice after an inadvertent encounter. Frankly, I don't know, but I'd bet on the more expensive Bonanza.

At one point, IIRC, Van's was advertising the RV-10 as a four place, VFR sport plane -- but hey, I fly my RV-9A IFR but mindful of its limited ability to handle turbulence at normal cruise speed.

And owners make terrible references. When they have a pleasant ownership experience, that will get expressed inappropriately as a whitewash of all the airplane's shortcomings, regardless of the airplane.

Frankly, I'd go with the -10 with a budget for alternative transportation when the weather was beyond the airplane's limitations or my limitations... But right now, you already use alternative transportation.
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