ADSB thoughts

[JimWoo50]

That?s why ads-b. FAA probably anticipating a big increase in drone traffic. Lots of traffic without eyeballs. They need a way more precise system than radar. I?m sure drones flying above say 200 ft would need ads-b but I may be wrong.
I am usually suspicious kinda guy when it comes to govt good intentions but in this case I believe their motivations are not so much punitive.

[GalinHdz]

Originally Posted by Blain

Never heard that. Can you cite the section that requires this?

14CFR §91.225 (f)

"(f) Each person operating an aircraft equipped with ADS-B Out must operate this equipment in the transmit mode at all times unless—

(1) Otherwise authorized by the FAA when the aircraft is performing a sensitive government mission for national defense, homeland security, intelligence or law enforcement purposes and transmitting would compromise the operations security of the mission or pose a safety risk to the aircraft, crew, or people and property in the air or on the ground; or

(2) Otherwise directed by ATC when transmitting would jeopardize the safe execution of air traffic control functions."

[RV8JD]

Originally Posted by BobTurner

BTW, if you have adsb-out, there is no option to turn it off. You are required by the current FARs to run it, whether in rule airspace or not.

Originally Posted by Blain

Never heard that. Can you cite the section that requires this?

?91.225 "Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) Out equipment and use."

"(f) Each person operating an aircraft equipped with ADS-B Out must operate this equipment in the transmit mode at all times unless?

(1) Otherwise authorized by the FAA when the aircraft is performing a sensitive government mission for national defense, homeland security, intelligence or law enforcement purposes and transmitting would compromise the operations security of the mission or pose a safety risk to the aircraft, crew, or people and property in the air or on the ground; or

(2) Otherwise directed by ATC when transmitting would jeopardize the safe execution of air traffic control functions."

[Blain]

Originally Posted by RV8JD

?91.225 "Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) Out equipment and use."

"(f) Each person operating an aircraft equipped with ADS-B Out must operate this equipment in the transmit mode at all times unless?

(1) Otherwise authorized by the FAA when the aircraft is performing a sensitive government mission for national defense, homeland security, intelligence or law enforcement purposes and transmitting would compromise the operations security of the mission or pose a safety risk to the aircraft, crew, or people and property in the air or on the ground; or

(2) Otherwise directed by ATC when transmitting would jeopardize the safe execution of air traffic control functions."

Well, I guess that answers that. I don?t think that is universally understood.

[emsvitil]

I would think there would be an emergency exception.

"I needed to shed all electrical loads except for the engine".........

[SPX]

Originally Posted by emsvitil

I would think there would be an emergency exception.

"I needed to shed all electrical loads except for the engine".........

Here you go...


? 91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.

(b) In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action, the pilot in command may deviate from any rule of this part to the extent required to meet that emergency.

[RV8JD]

Originally Posted by emsvitil

I would think there would be an emergency exception.

"I needed to shed all electrical loads except for the engine".........

Yep ... 14 CFR ? 91.3 - "Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command."

"(a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.

(b) In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action, the pilot in command may deviate from any rule of this part to the extent required to meet that emergency.

(c) Each pilot in command who deviates from a rule under paragraph (b) of this section shall, upon the request of the Administrator, send a written report of that deviation to the Administrator."

[jliltd]

Yes. ADS-B equipped aircraft must have the equipment powered on an operating any time the aircraft is operated. Regardless of location. Rule airspace. Non rule airspace. Ground run ups. In the middle of Montana taxiing your Skywagon on the ground from the bunk house to the barn. If you have the equipment, it must be on and operating at all times the aircraft is operated. If you ever switch it off (or loose your electrical system) you will get a nastygram from a computer in OKC. So make sure your mechanic knows he needs to have the system on when doing maintenance checks on the engine. Onerous. Orwellian. But they did it while we stood by playing the fiddle.

[FasGlas]

I was told by uAvionics the same thing about ADS-B out equipped aircraft must use it on all flights but they can easily be turned off either by the app or the power. Turning it off with the app allows the IN to still work ( EX: EchoUAT ). I don't see how the feds could know if you turned it off before your flight and returned to your airport ( non rule space ). Has anyone looked into formation and ADS-B? You only use one Xponder in formation, how do you think ATC would like 8 ADS-B transmitters 20 feet apart.

[Snowflake]

Originally Posted by Blain

Well, I guess that answers that. I don?t think that is universally understood.

Every time an ADS-B thread comes up, it becomes immediately apparent how few people understand (a) how ADS-B works, and (b) what the regulations are surrounding ADS-B.