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Old 10-26-2019, 10:31 AM
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I have both ADS-B and XM weather in my RV and use them for strategic route planning.

That said, I much prefer XM to ADS-B for the cloud tops and winds aloft. (If those are available on my SkyView's ADS-B, please speak up.)

I only activate the XM when I have a multiday trip and when I return, I cancel it.

$59.99 / month for local flying is a bit over the top, unless I'm traveling and if were to downgrade to $29.99 / month, I have ADS-B in, so why bother.

I would have thought that by now XM would have either killed their weather product or cut their prices in half to make their revenue on volume.


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Old 10-26-2019, 10:34 AM
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If anything, strategic weather information is more valuable for the cross-country VFR pilot, not less.
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+1 on this.
I used to have xm but it failed me on occasion- it thought I didn?t subscribe and needed to be re-initialized - requiring cell or internet contact to fix. (XM in my car and at home has done the same thing). After one trip where it really would have been nice to have but again wouldn?t work, I said screw this, I?ll keep the $400/yr and I switched to adsb. I still have the xm receiver installed but no way I?ll pay to get the data. For my flying - strategic avoidance - ADSB works just as well, even if long range data doesn?t look as pretty.
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Old 10-26-2019, 01:01 PM
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That said, I much prefer XM to ADS-B for the cloud tops and winds aloft...$59.99 / month for local flying is a bit over the top...
Never saw much value in either with the -8, and getting them doubles the subscription price. Are you just doing it because of the -9's wing, popping to 15-18K when the winds are worth it?
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Old 10-26-2019, 01:14 PM
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Check out this graphic. Red was Crossfield's flight path. With an on-board display, he could have (and surely would have) taken the orange path, a simple end-around.

https://www.aopa.org/-/media/images/...A25D915130F997
When I first saw this graphic sometime after the accident, I assumed Scott decided to go out with his boots on, so to speak. No other reason to fly there . . .
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Old 10-26-2019, 05:55 PM
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Never saw much value in either with the -8, and getting them doubles the subscription price. Are you just doing it because of the -9's wing, popping to 15-18K when the winds are worth it?
Dan,

That is exactly why and how I used it. With oxygen, if I could climb high and pick up an additional 20 or 40 knots, it could make a significant difference on the trip.
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Old 10-26-2019, 10:18 PM
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That said, I much prefer XM to ADS-B for the cloud tops and winds aloft. (If those are available on my SkyView's ADS-B, please speak up.)
I have the older, single band, -470 ADS-B IN receiver which provides the winds aloft forecast and is displayed in SkyView's airport WX tab (need to scroll down). The dual band -472 ADS-B IN receiver does the same.

I've read that the dual band -472 ADS-B IN receiver, with latest SkyView software (v15.4.7), will display traffic and weather, including the new items - lightning and cloud tops, in ForeFlight. Not sure if lightning and cloud tops are displayed on any of the SkyView models (Classic, Touch, SE, or HDX) but it seems like they should be.
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Old 10-27-2019, 08:14 AM
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With oxygen, if I could climb high and pick up an additional 20 or 40 knots, it could make a significant difference on the trip.
A glance at Weathermeister or similar tells the tale regarding winds that large, prior to launch. Winds are big picture stuff, with generally reliable forecasts.
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Old 10-27-2019, 12:21 PM
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Scott, not quite sure what you meant by the above quote. But IMHO, due to the latency, neither product is suitable for close in penetration of an area of thunderstorms. And, either product does a good job of long range strategic avoidance.
Bob,

Certainly never mentioned anything about penetrating thunderstorms using the datalink weather. In fact, as I mention here in my blog that this kind of guidance is only used for strategic decision making. I was simply was implying that if you owned a more capable aircraft (certified IPS, pressurized, flying in the flight levels, active radar, etc) having SiriusXM is going to provide more consistent and useful guidance than that of FIS-B.

I am not a fan of the national level FIS-B radar. It has such a poor temporal and spatial resolution, it's pretty much useless. I'd rather have them drop that and extend the regional depiction by 100 miles given they are so bandwidth challenged.
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Old 10-27-2019, 12:27 PM
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"...and allowed flight into a bad cell..."

Is there such a thing as a "good cell"?
Actually it depends. Not all parts of a thunderstorm have dangerous convective turbulence. NASA studied this and found that areas where you see intense lightning often don't have the "turn you upside down" level of turbulence. In fact, there are some studies that have been ongoing to provide sensors on the aircraft to allow an air crew to know about what locations in a thunderstorm are safe to penetrate.
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Old 10-27-2019, 12:35 PM
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Here is a bit more of a explanation. Keep in mind that pop up summer storms that can be seen tend to be slow moving. The killer embedded cells often are frontal storms moving fast.
http://www.askacfi.com/34428/nexrad-latency.htm
I am not a fan of telling a pilot that the datalink radar depiction could be 15 to 20 or more minutes older. To me, that's just as bad of telling the pilot it's real time information. Sure, there are scenarios where this may happen such as missing a couple of broadcasts, but if you are getting consistent broadcasts, there's no way it'll be that old vs reality. All of this information is a gross vectoring aid and I only navigate around convection when I can do so in visual conditions. But when making those decisions based on location and speed of the weather, I never, ever use a 20 minute latency. 5-8 minutes is what I plan on especially given the recent upgrade to using MRMS and the faster updates from SiriusXM.
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