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09-30-2019, 05:44 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Windsor, Ontario
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Avionics Choices
New to the amateur build process and the available experimental avionic packages. Wondering how one goes about objectively evaluating the difference choices? Currently considering Garmin, Dynon Skyview, and and Advance Flight Systems. Likely will be IFR.
Also at what stage of the build process with a QuickBuild kit does one have to decide on what specific avionic equipment and whether to install an auto pilot or not.
I know that many cables, antennas and wiring must be run before things are closed up.
I'm open to personal opinions on the pros and cons of each manufacturer.
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Glenn Martin
Windsor, Ontario
1942 Tiger Moth
2017 Waco YMF-5
Kit # 140694
Received RV-14 Empennage Kit October 22, 2019
Started Tail Cone Dec 2019
Received QB Kit April 2020
Finished a mounted Tail Surfaces to Fuselage June 2020
2020 Dues Paid
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09-30-2019, 05:51 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Sunman, IN
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Comparisons
Go to one of the aviation expos and play with each system. It will be a personal choice. Asking which is better here isn?t going to give you a valid answer as each person?s ?best? is completely based on their personal desires...
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09-30-2019, 06:10 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2009
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Also don't neglect MGL and GRT. The big boys aren't the only ones on the field.
What I did was to download the user manual for each one and see what I thought would be best for me. Then I did the same for the installation manuals. I gave a lot of weight to a friend's experience and comments here on VAF, and made my choice from all that. Kind of surprising how quickly I was able to narrow down the field, but that decision was for me and my own desires, and has zero carry-over to other people or other types of operation. It's highly individual.
Dave
Last edited by David Paule : 09-30-2019 at 06:14 PM.
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09-30-2019, 06:28 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Windsor, Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David Paule
Also don't neglect MGL and GRT. The big boys aren't the only ones on the field.
What I did was to download the user manual for each one and see what I thought would be best for me. Then I did the same for the installation manuals. I gave a lot of weight to a friend's experience and comments here on VAF, and made my choice from all that. Kind of surprising how quickly I was able to narrow down the field, but that decision was for me and my own desires, and has zero carry-over to other people or other types of operation. It's highly individual.
Dave
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Thanks, I do plan to go to Sun N Fun and Oshkosh however I thought I would start getting some early info. I also don't mind taking into account personal information and preference. That is more important than who can market best. It is hard to figure out everything a system has to offer at a busy display booth.
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Glenn Martin
Windsor, Ontario
1942 Tiger Moth
2017 Waco YMF-5
Kit # 140694
Received RV-14 Empennage Kit October 22, 2019
Started Tail Cone Dec 2019
Received QB Kit April 2020
Finished a mounted Tail Surfaces to Fuselage June 2020
2020 Dues Paid
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09-30-2019, 07:16 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Sunman, IN
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It is hard to figure out what each system has to offer, period!
I went with a Garmin G3X system. The install manual is over 1100 pages.
The user manual was in the crate with the panel. It's a spiral bound book about an inch and a half thick! I'm pretty sure that guys that are flying it still don't know everything about it...
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Bob
Aerospace Engineer '88
RV-10
Structure - 90% Done
Cabin Top - Aaarrghhh...
EFII System 32 - Done
297 HP Barrett Hung
ShowPlanes Cowl with Skybolts Fitted - Beautiful
Wiring...
Dues+ Paid 2019,...Thanks DR+
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09-30-2019, 07:17 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Frederick, MD
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I recommend that you wait buy avionics until you need to. When you need to make a decision so that you can proceed with the build, then plan a buy at Sun N Fun or AirVenture. Tech is changing and you can typically get more if you wait. It is a real kicker to buy a great piece of gear now, only to have something better surface by the time you are ready to install. The avionics manufacturers do a good job of keeping new equipment under wraps until they are ready to ship, so that they keep selling the old stuff as long as possible.
In the meanwhile, educate yourself on capabilities that you need, or want.
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09-30-2019, 08:36 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: somewherville
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I can't help you because I'm in the same spot. I find the array of modules and add-ons and doodads to be absolutely dizying. I don't know what I need or what I want or how something like the g3 interfaces with a gns530 vs gtn650 vs what I'm used to in the g1000 or how a pair of g5s drives the ap servos and connects to a Garmin mfd and interfaces with a gps nav com. But what I do know is I'm worrying about decisions that are years away. For now I just want to understand what I need and how much it's going to cost. But I definitely feel your pain.
I keep looking for answers and when I don't see similar questions asked I wonder if it's because it's just a dumb question
Last edited by philip_g : 09-30-2019 at 08:39 PM.
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09-30-2019, 09:05 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Muir Beach, CA
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Keep asking the questions...
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Originally Posted by philip_g
I keep looking for answers and when I don't see similar questions asked I wonder if it's because it's just a dumb question
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Philip, there's a pile of us behind you, just starting to build so appreciate the research and questions!
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09-30-2019, 09:22 PM
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Join Date: May 2013
Location: Sherman, CT
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I went through the same process with my QB-7. The Quick Build fuselage is pretty much ready to start installing components as delivered, allowing better access for your installation. After construction of the forward fuselage framework it is ready for avionics and BEFORE riveting the of the top forward skin. I also spent some time evaluating the different systems and options at Sun&Fun. I decided on the AFS Quick Panel (about 8 weeks lead time). The AFS system is pretty much a plug & play, it has worked superb for me and customer service is excellent. It all comes down to personal choice and of course $. Any of the available "quick panel" systems will save a tremendous amount of time and get you flying sooner than later.
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10-01-2019, 03:17 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Windsor, Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by philip_g
I'm worrying about decisions that are years away
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Actually that was the 2nd half of my initial question. With the quickbuild kit when do you have to make these decisions. Not only with the panel but auto pilot, electric flaps, trims, etc? Cables and wiring harnesses have to be run fairly early.
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Glenn Martin
Windsor, Ontario
1942 Tiger Moth
2017 Waco YMF-5
Kit # 140694
Received RV-14 Empennage Kit October 22, 2019
Started Tail Cone Dec 2019
Received QB Kit April 2020
Finished a mounted Tail Surfaces to Fuselage June 2020
2020 Dues Paid
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