Has Oshkosh gotten to big?

[crabandy]

Sheesh, thanks for bringing up work on the fun forum!

GDP’s and AFP’s attempt to equitablily distribute delays to too many IFR aircraft trying to utilize the same airport or airspace . When the program is loaded to heavily or additional or unforeseen circumstances come up a Ground Stop is initiated because too much airborne inventory already exist for the airport/airspace for the certain time period. As far as Tiers go, it’s just the adjacent center. 2nd Tier would be 2 centers away from the airport. Ground stop is more of an “oops” we guessed wrong and have more airborne inventory than we can handle with the given conditions and need to not add any more to the mix. More tiers the more airborne inventory and the longer it’ll take to get them all landed.

It’s all about trying to predict the future using the FSM on the TSD with the CCFP and your friendly local meteorologist!

[cderk]

The airport shut down because of the C-5 fire.

[Low Pass]

Originally Posted by cderk

The airport shut down because of the C-5 fire.

The tower was having issues before the C-5 arrived.

[scard]

On our outbound Thursday morning, we listened as they re-wrote the notam on the fly and tried to get everyone to start the "procedure" NOT at rippon but at the south west corner of Green lake, and a mile in trail. It looked like some people were able to comprehend that, but many were not.

And they were absolutely using adsb Thursday morning and calling out N numbers of people now "cutting in line" at rippon and giving instructions based on it.

[TomVal]

OP: Has Oshkosh Gotten Too Big

Just returned from OSH yesterday. When you look at the "ocean" of aircraft at OSH, and couple that scene with the "sea" of aircraft parked at FDL and other satellite airports...the OSH cup has definitely run over!

Wouldn't that be great if the VAF community had its own national fly-in convention? I would vote for holding the venue in October at the Triple Tree Aerodrome (SC00). TTT would have the facilities to do so.

[Andrew Anunson]

Originally Posted by TomVal

Wouldn't that be great if the VAF community had its own national fly-in convention?

I drove in... yes it was too big, too crowded. I saw hundreds (if not a thousand) aircraft parked and camping way down in Fond Du Lac (saw them from the interstate) on Monday and Wednesday. I wish all those pilots and their friends could get in to Airventure.
But it was an awesome event... I really liked it.

[Aggie78]

Originally Posted by scard

On our outbound Thursday morning, we listened as they re-wrote the notam on the fly and tried to get everyone to start the "procedure" NOT at rippon but at the south west corner of Green lake, and a mile in trail. It looked like some people were able to comprehend that, but many were not.

And they were absolutely using adsb Thursday morning and calling out N numbers of people now "cutting in line" at rippon and giving instructions based on it.

Actually, they had already done that re-write by early Tuesday AM...

When I went back over to FLD that day to ferry my WX-diverted aircraft back over to OSH, tower told us as we departed if we were headed to OSH to join the arrival there...as did the nice lady controlling traffic on the Fisk. No mention of 1 mile trail separation however. Only time I heard that in use was when they were down to 1 runway.

FWIW.

[moosepileit]

Tues 1440z 9:40 am same arrival "bootleg".

I had seen Green lake holds on ADSB zoomed out, an hour before Ripon, which is perfect, they clear up or I wait at any of the myriad fields 30 mins south.

ATC did pull 2 not following the atc bootleg that were ADSB-out/ by n# out of their direct Ripons ahead of me.

Not the non-ADSB-out twin that flew a perfect rejoin to my 6 at 1/2 mile AT Ripon. He was frozen at 2 o'clock in my window right til I got that, "this better work right now", then slid right in behind me.

15 mins to Ripon I hear apch say all go tothe SW corner of Green lake, so I do. It is at 1/2 mile spacing at this point, so 36 and 27 are landing. I think, odd, but ok...

At Ripon they go sngl rwy 27, 1 mile trail. I have a 2+ mile gap ahead of me and a line forming behind.

3 ahead of me get spit out, atc notes their tail#s and promised them first returns.

I get a twin doing a 360 in my face, as directed by ATC, which closes the gap ahead of me and keeps that twin from getting booted. (not in the procedural notam). No sweat, apch made sure I knew.

I find the same at, "work". Tower takes/changes a rwy, apch deals with it. Someone or more winds up losing a few minutes of their day.

Get to the pit, twin ahead of me gets sent 2 miles feet wet for an IFR arrival in front of him. I hold 1 mile interval. Twin ahead gets sent around short final, I got "land at or past green dot" the longest landing spot and the 2 next behind me get to land also.

27 to parking right exit was 30 mins to row 333. Not bad. Did watch one V-tail freak out, get ordered/begged by tower to go around, then perched without gear down. 4 calls later from a few of us then atc he drops gear on short final, 1505z-ish.

I am a come early, enjoy the Weds night show, leave by noon Thursday type. Friday to close is not for me.

This year by last Sat am I was hoping it would be as nice Tues mid am as it was.

I can't wait to get senior enough at work to hold actual, planned in advance vacation during KOSH. I'll gladly do 2 weeks as a volunteer.

[Saber25]

I thought about attending Airventure for just a moment while enjoying this view a week earlier. I've been coming to Smiley Creek for over thirty years and very light traffic to contend with.

[rightrudder]

I thoroughly, completely enjoyed Osh, but in both '18 and this year I was caught up in lengthy weather delays getting in. So frustrating to have perfect VFR conditions but no parking available due to slosh factor!

I think I'll take a break in '20 and do some fly-ins closer to my SoCal home base. Will miss the camaraderie, bratwurst, Pavillion pow-wows in HBC, etc., but getting to a fly-in with only one fuel stop (or none!) certainly has appeal.

I've quoted my first girlfriend many times, but it still rings true: "Adventures suck while you're having them!" Looking back, they make great stories.