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06-22-2019, 06:59 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Yardley, PA
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Originally Posted by kbalch
We're all so dependent on Lycoming, but I'm extremely disenchanted with their business practices. Yes, we've all heard the story about their cylinder vendor, taking that work in-house, etc., but none of that should be the problem of their customers. Repeatedly missing production targets and shipping estimates is a serious issue. At the very least, Lycoming should be offering a discount to each of us so affected.
Of course, that's not going to happen and we're entirely stuck with them. I guarantee you that Cessna isn't having to wait for engine orders to be fulfilled...
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Consider another engine? I have a Superior O-320, 160HP. I even had the opportunity to go to their facility and build the engine under their supervision. Better engine in my opinion and about $1000 less than Lycoming equivalent, and you can virtually have it tomorrow.
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06-22-2019, 07:10 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Clermont, FL
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Originally Posted by Av8torTom
Consider another engine? I have a Superior O-320, 160HP. I even had the opportunity to go to their facility and build the engine under their supervision. Better engine in my opinion and about $1000 less than Lycoming equivalent, and you can virtually have it tomorrow.
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Unfortunately, at this point, I’ve already paid in full. Also, I need a 210HP IO-390 equivalent and I don’t believe that Superior is currently offering one.
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06-22-2019, 11:44 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Landing field "12VA"
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So, having never bought a new engine in a box/ on a pallet, I'm not understanding why you need to pass anything under the engine in order to lift it. Sounds like a good way to bend an intake tube.
What prevents you from hooking a chain to the engine lift ring(s) and cranking away on the lift?
Thanks for taking a moment to explain the dilemma to a bystander with nothing to contribute.
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06-22-2019, 11:57 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Clermont, FL
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Originally Posted by Bill Boyd
So, having never bought a new engine in a box/ on a pallet, I'm not understanding why you need to pass anything under the engine in order to lift it. Sounds like a good way to bend an intake tube.
What prevents you from hooking a chain to the engine lift ring(s) and cranking away on the lift?
Thanks for taking a moment to explain the dilemma to a bystander with nothing to contribute.
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I was also puzzled as, having done this before, never previously encountered any issues with the hoist.
My sense of the discussion is that some guys can't fit the legs of their hoist around the engine pallet sufficient to get the chain vertical over the lift ring. So, they need to raise the pallet in order to get close enough to lift the engine.
My current hoist has an adjustable boom which I have set to 1 ton. Should I need to go all the way out ? ton, that won't be an issue since the engine only weighs ~400 pounds.
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06-22-2019, 12:11 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Aiken, SC
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What Ken said. With my hoist and I suspect others, the boom will not extend past the end of the legs. Therefore, to get the chain over the center of the engine, you need to raise the pallet enough to get the hoist legs underneath. Not at all difficult. 
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06-22-2019, 03:31 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: US
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Maybe come at it from an angle? I.e., the corner of the crate, instead of straight on to one side? The hoist won't care how the engine is oriented.
I just don't recall this being any issue when my Lycoming was hoisted out of the box, but then, it's been a few years...
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06-22-2019, 03:54 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Clermont, FL
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Originally Posted by RV7A Flyer
Maybe come at it from an angle? I.e., the corner of the crate, instead of straight on to one side? The hoist won't care how the engine is oriented.
I just don't recall this being any issue when my Lycoming was hoisted out of the box, but then, it's been a few years...
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Exactly. So long as I can get the hook on the lift ring, I don't care if it's at a slight angle. The bolts securing the engine to the pallet will already have been loosened, so I'm happy to let the engine swing, twist, etc. while I back them off the rest of the way. The engine will self-align under the hook (just a big plumb bob), the pallet will drop away, and you're off to the races. Lift it up the rest of the way, roll the hoist over to the front of the airplane, and bolt it on.
No big deal.
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06-22-2019, 04:20 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Scottsdale AZ
Posts: 251
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Originally Posted by Cwood2000
Ken,
How long did it take to get your engine, It's been 6 months for me and can't get a straight answer.
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It took 11 mos. for me to get the IO390, so plan accordingly. Same issue with getting the hoist under far enough to attach to engine. Two of us lift off the pallet on to two dollies, then was able to lift engine out. Had to remove the sides of the box. I kept the bottom foam part of the crate and lightly lowered on to it still attached to the hoist to prep for mounting.
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06-22-2019, 05:33 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Midland, mi
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I could not get the legs of the hoist under the engine. It would have been a **** of a swing had I tried the approach suggested above and I personally am not going to do that with a $38K engine.
It was easiest enough to use 2x6s under the engine (between pallet and engine) and lever up the 2x6 with 2x4 until I got the engine high enough to put 8" tall cinder blocks under the engine box. I now have the box removed from the engine and the hoist in place sort of holding the engine even though it is sitting on cinder blocks. Just being safe.
I used Nylon climbing slings to attach to the engine, which then attach to an engine leveler on the hoist. I might buy new slings before mounting engine, since they are 25 yrs old. In case anyone wanted to know what a climbing sling is:
https://www.amazon.com/GM-CLIMBING-R...gateway&sr=8-3
they can hold 22kN.
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06-22-2019, 05:42 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Clermont, FL
Posts: 565
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Originally Posted by Stockmanreef
I could not get the legs of the hoist under the engine. It would have been a **** of a swing had I tried the approach suggested above and I personally am not going to do that with a $38K engine.
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I suppose that everyone has their own comfort level with this sort of thing - and the degree of swing is entirely dependent on one's own hoist configuration - but if it's secure, then it's secure and isn't going to fall. The value is irrelevant.
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