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04-21-2013, 10:35 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
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SKYVIEW IN SIMULATOR MODE
Hello Dynon Support
I didn't know I could use my Skyview in simulator mode??
Well at least I didn't get to this part in the manual yet...
How can I do that or are your displays modified to work this way??
Thanks
Bruno
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04-21-2013, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SteinAir
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Also, I think most any of the EFIS systems can be run in a demo or simulaor mode, including the G3X.
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Very true Stein - that helps you learn to bring up menus and displays. We would call those "Part Task Trainers" in my old business. In our family of course, we use demo modes on both the GRT and G3X systems we have.
But I don't know of anything that lets you actually fly a sequenced approach with a full-up IFR system (select the approach 50 miles out, say) and watch/make the end-to-end system - IFR Navigator, EFIS, and A/P - fly the entire procedure. The Part Task is valuable - but the end-to-end training is priceless. If folks think they're ready to fly an approach in the soup because they have learned the menus and setup, they might be surprised at a bad time.
I am well aware that this is not cheap for companies to produce - yet the challenge is out there.
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04-22-2013, 12:05 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Loveland, Co
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I have the AOPA Aero commander 112 that does a pretty good job for IFR approaches in MS Sim 2004 with the AP and Chelton EFIS and 2 SL30's but don't think its available anymore.
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04-22-2013, 05:17 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Kalamazoo, MI
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The Garmin video on how to use the GNS430 is a great example of simulator training. Using the video and the Garmin simulator I learned more about my 430 than three different CFII ever showed me. The video runs a little over an hour and I spent about 4 hours doing the same procedures on the simulator and then went and flew several approaches in my Europa. It sure was easy!! Here's a link to the video: www8.garmin.com/learningcenter/in-the-air/gns-430-530
Jim Butcher
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11-05-2013, 09:46 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Arlington, tx
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Simulator is essential
I have been flying behind a garmin 430 for 8 plus years. I flew a King kln89 before that. Both of these devices were a snap to use because of the simulators that were made available for training. I used the simulators to memorize how to use the device and fly approaches and overcome screwups by me. I have messed up in the real clouds and I would have had a panic attack if it weren't for the simulator and arm chair flying I had done.
I will be purchasing some glass soon. My final decision will be based on having a simulator available to me on my PC so I can use my new glass with complete confidence. I don't want to have to sit in my airplane in the cold or darn hot hangar to figure out how to use the device. It has to be available to me in the comfort of my bed on my laptop. I have chatted with a lot of other pilots and most feel the same.
If you are a manufacturer of a device that has a synthetic view and is capable of flying full approaches, please make it a priority to build a simulator for your device. It will entice me (and others) to consider your product as a serious IFR tool.
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11-06-2013, 08:10 AM
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Sim not sim
I think many people may not have an appreciation for the distinct differences and also the immensely different requirements from a coding/hardware/etc standpoint between what Paul called a Part or partial task trainer and a simulator. They are very different.
In one, it is simply some code running to show you a menu when you press a button...hence a partial TASK trainer. These are good at training the proprioceptive responses...making your fingers "learn" where to expect to be needed next.
Simulators are very complex mechanisms with aerodynamic modeling, pressures, etc to actually SIMULATE the environment the box will be used in. While this my not be too complex for one box, once you ask it to to be accurate enough to give you a semi-reality experience (I push forward and not only does airspeed go up, but drag goes up and altitude/VSI/vector goes down, etc). For example, our best simulators for the MH-60R are more complex and just as expensive as the real aircraft!
This is an important distinction because rarely can a group of engineers plan/code for every possibility (well, I want to practice/simulate shooting this specific approach at +4580 DA, winds from 223 @ 13 gusting to 21, RAIM fails outside the final but inside the initial while I am turning, etc)
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11-06-2013, 05:35 PM
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G3X
I would would be very happy with a TASK TRAINER if there is one out there. Ron
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11-06-2013, 10:36 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Fort Walton Beach, FL
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Simulator
John, if you want to sample glass with a full sim take a look at the MGL iEFIS, each SW release comes with a PC simulator release, the sim supports AHRS, engine instrumentation, etc, and also let's you create or modify your own screen designs, and I use the sim to playback recorded G430W Arinc recordings from all types of flights and approaches (helps with testing screen designs also).
Sim can be downloaded anytime.
Cecil
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11-07-2013, 07:32 PM
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Thanks for the tip!
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Originally Posted by hpmicrowave
John, if you want to sample glass with a full sim take a look at the MGL iEFIS, each SW release comes with a PC simulator release, the sim supports AHRS, engine instrumentation, etc, and also let's you create or modify your own screen designs, and I use the sim to playback recorded G430W Arinc recordings from all types of flights and approaches (helps with testing screen designs also).
Sim can be downloaded anytime.
Cecil
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Thanks for the tip Cecil! I'll check it out.
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06-04-2019, 11:14 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Magnolia, TX
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G3X - GTN home sim
For Stein and G3X Expert. What would be involved in building a wiring harness/box that you could have at home that would allow you to remove your G3X and GTN from your plane and take it home. Hook it up and use the actual hardware for SIM practice?
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