Oshkosh NOTAM 2019 - Page 2

Paul 5r4 · #11 05-02-2019, 11:57 AM

"Procedurally, if you can't get people to follow simple procedures, do you really expect the same people to do better if you make things more complicated?"

Well said Kyle

Walt · #12 05-02-2019, 01:11 PM

If the FAA ignores the issue they had with their controllers, which in my opinion was the single biggest problem, I don't expect to see anything different than last years cluster #@$#. It's a bloody miracle their wasn't a midair on Sunday last year.

Blaming the pilots for the conditions or not following "procedures" is baloney, the ATC situation was totally out of control.

I was in the mess when controllers were calling for 1 mile and then 2 mile spacing, and landing 1 aircraft on a runway at a time.
I can barely see an aircraft a mile in front of me, 2 miles no way. With 2 mile spacing they'd be lined up back to Oklahoma.

On Monday when I returned to try again the same nonsense was going on with ATC, nobody landing and no one being "allowed" past Ripon, I got the feeling the controllers just didn't feel like dealing with it so the easy way was just keep telling people to go away.

SuperCubDriver · #13 05-02-2019, 01:14 PM

Was waiting for this - I´m impatient already for the real thing.

ALagonia · #14 05-02-2019, 02:25 PM

This will be my first visit. And I will be arriving in my new to me 9. I?m going to arrive on Saturday because of the horror stories I heard from last years Sunday arrivals. I am open to any advice. Yes, I will be carefully reading the Notam.

merlin3 · #15 05-02-2019, 02:35 PM

I agree walt, the controllers handle it poorly and it compounded when pilots got impatient. Here's to hoping that this years controllers are trained better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walt

If the FAA ignores the issue they had with their controllers, which in my opinion was the single biggest problem, I don't expect to see anything different than last years cluster #@$#. It's a bloody miracle their wasn't a midair on Sunday last year.

Blaming the pilots for the conditions or not following "procedures" is baloney, the ATC situation was totally out of control.

I was in the mess when controllers were calling for 1 mile and then 2 mile spacing, and landing 1 aircraft on a runway at a time.
I can barely see an aircraft a mile in front of me, 2 miles no way. With 2 mile spacing they'd be lined up back to Oklahoma.

On Monday when I returned to try again the same nonsense was going on with ATC, nobody landing and no one being "allowed" past Ripon, I got the feeling the controllers just didn't feel like dealing with it so the easy way was just keep telling people to go away.

Skid · #16 05-02-2019, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALagonia

This will be my first visit. And I will be arriving in my new to me 9. I?m going to arrive on Saturday because of the horror stories I heard from last years Sunday arrivals. I am open to any advice. Yes, I will be carefully reading the Notam.

Aside from reading the NOTAM, (at least 3 times), practice your slow flight so you can actually hold 1800' at 90kts with your head on a swivel. I have seen many pilots over the years not be able to hold a speed or an altitude. One year I followed a Cessna in with a speed that went from under 70kts to well above 90kts. I have also been passed by airplanes while I was holding 90kts.

airguy · #17 05-02-2019, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walt

On Monday when I returned to try again the same nonsense was going on with ATC, nobody landing and no one being "allowed" past Ripon, I got the feeling the controllers just didn't feel like dealing with it so the easy way was just keep telling people to go away.

Bingo. The controllers went on "union break" and had no interest in getting airplanes in. 2 miles in trail for Oshkosh? There is ZERO validation for that, in any scenario.

I'm stepping out on it this year, no thanks.

Bruce · #18 05-02-2019, 03:29 PM

Arrive at Ripon at 90 knots and 1,800?. For aircraft unable to operate comfortably at 90 knots:
 Slower aircraft should use maximum
cruising speed. ATC recommends arrival
at Fisk 7:00-7:30 AM CDT, if practicable.
 Faster aircraft use 135 knots and 2,300?.

Did the verbage on this change ?????

pa38112 · #19 05-02-2019, 03:34 PM

Hopefully they are making some procedural changes that are not reflected in the NOTAM, otherwise I think this procedure is worse. People will get diverted to FLD and will never get a chance to get back in unless there is a way to cut off arrivals from Ripon. Last year people were sent to hold never released from hold because the steady stream of new arrivals got in front of them.

Auburntsts · #20 05-02-2019, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce

Arrive at Ripon at 90 knots and 1,800?. For aircraft unable to operate comfortably at 90 knots:
 Slower aircraft should use maximum
cruising speed. ATC recommends arrival
at Fisk 7:00-7:30 AM CDT, if practicable.
 Faster aircraft use 135 knots and 2,300?.

Did the verbage on this change ?????

No. That's the same verbiage that's been there for years.