"Say Type Experimental..."

[lr172]

Originally Posted by Saville

But they ARE alerted to look for something other than a typical spam can. They are put on a heightened alert. They now know the situation is a trifle bit different than if a cherokee was coming in.

It's really helpful.

Different how? The warbird (under an experimental a/w cert) comes in very differently than the experimental cub clone, both of which are quite different than the typical spam can. I would argue that the RV-10 comes in just like the V35 in my neighbors hanger.

Experimental is so vague of a term, I argue that it doesn't really help other pilots. It is equally as vague as "another plane."

And what if the referenced pilot doesn't know what a hawker is (less common than an RV)? How does he prepare?

I would argue that most pilots will not have RV's at the bottom of their aircraft name recognition list. Many other uncommon aircraft name that brings the same risk as you define. If this was the FAA's concern, aircraft identification and naming would be on the private pilot exam.

Larry

[Saville]

Originally Posted by lr172

Different how? The warbird (under an experimental a/w cert) comes in very differently than the experimental cub clone, both of which are quite different than the typical spam can. I would argue that the RV-10 comes in just like the V35 in my neighbors hanger.

Experimental is so vague of a term, I argue that it doesn't really help other pilots. It is equally as vague as "another plane."

And what if the referenced pilot doesn't know what a hawker is (less common than an RV)? How does he prepare?

I would argue that most pilots will not have RV's at the bottom of their aircraft name recognition list. Many other uncommon aircraft name that brings the same risk as you define. If this was the FAA's concern, aircraft identification and naming would be on the private pilot exam.

Larry

I explained how it was different.

And I would argue exactly the opposite....from personal experience both what I was aware of before 2015 and the fact that pilots who come up to me to look at the plane ask me what brand/kind of plane it is. They do not know.

We live in a world - the experimental world. Most pilots do not live in that world and it's easy to assume they are as knowledgeable about what an RV is as we are. I don't believe it, from, as I say, personal experience.

[jbDC9]

Originally Posted by snopercod

Isn't that a great feeling? Last week my little 140 HP Lancair had a 60 Kt overtake on a 160 HP C-172. Yup, I blew his doors off when I passed him!

It is! A coupla months ago over Blythe, CA headed east in an experimental I passed up a C-172 with an ATC indicated 100 knot overtake; sweet! But, I did have a wee horsepower advantage; a 1425 hp R-1820 bolted on the front of a T-28... is that cheating?? Nah. Fuel burn? You don?t wanna know...

[N941WR]

That's funny John!

Last year I was heading to an airport northwest of Charlotte, NC when I see a plane on the ADS-B screen off to my right heading to the same place.

I'm thinking I don't want to get behind a Cessna and do a BIG pattern or God forbid land behind a Cirrus! So I push the throttle full forward and muster all 175 knots my -9 can do and proceed to watch that ADS-B symbol just March on by me.

When he checked in on unicorn.

It was the P51 from Triple Tree. That explains it!

[snopercod]

Originally Posted by N941WR

It was the P51 from Triple Tree. That explains it!

LOL! He must have had ADS-B as well.

[elev666]

I don?t bother saying my type since on initial call up I?m Canadian Gulf --Alfa Romeo Victor ,,,, not saying how many years I paid to hold that registration!

[N8RV]

I never had any issues with ATC when I simply identified with "Experimental Eight Romeo Victor," except when I was approaching Cape Girardeau, MO, one day.

Me: "Cape Girardeau tower, Experimental Eight Romeo Victor, 10 miles north with Echo ?"

ATC: "Experimental Eight Romeo Victor, please say full callsign."

Me: "November Eight Romeo Victor."

ATC: "Please state model of Experimental."

Me: [sigh] "RV-8, sir."

ATC: "Oh. N8RV, welcome to Cape Girardeau. Report entering downwind for ?"

[Ironflight]

RV’s are easy guys - I’m trying to figure out the call sign for the new little Subsonex.

“Subsonex 958PD”? Nah...there are only ten flying - no one knows what they are!

“Experimental 958PD”? COudl be anything from a Breezy to a .... jet....not very informative!

“Mini-Jet 958PD”? Getting better - tells folks its tiny, and a jet...you can’t see it, but it needs some space!

“Experiemntal jet 958PD” ? Well that seems to be working OK....its just a mouthful.

The bottom lien is that the call for any airplane should actually give the listener some useful information that helps them know what is out there, speed and size wise. And if your Ops Lims say you have to say “Experiemntal” to a tower, then you have to do that....otherwise, be informative.

And to repeat, pretty much everyone knows what an RV is these days (so long as you speak it clearly enough becasue yeah - I’ve gotten the “army” thing too.....).

Paul

[Mconner7]

I have been owned my -10 now for over a year. I have flown it transcontinental twice, logged over 140 hours, at least 1/2 IFR and never uttered the phrase experimental. I have never been questioned by the FAA or ATC.

If IFR, the flight plan identifies the type, if VFR, ATC knows what an RV-10 is. I am not experimenting with anything and don’t feel a need to identify my plane as such despite the controller/pilot golassarie.

[Plummit]

Coming out of Big Bear Saturday I asked for an IFR clearance to KLGB: "RV814 Romeo Victor say type RV, six, seven, nine, and suffix..."
My reply: RV ten, one zero slant golf."
His reply: "Ah..."

-Marc