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04-29-2019, 06:59 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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Originally Posted by FlyingBanker
You didn?t mention having a heated pitot, but I believe you would need that for legal IFR.
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Not required for legal IFR.
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04-29-2019, 07:28 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: KSGJ / TJBQ
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Originally Posted by HBpilot
On the other hand, a VOR/ILS solution might just do it. As I mentioned, I only want to be able to file IFR for enroute. I am not interested to do low ceiling approaches in a single engine. I'd rather drive on those days.
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If you just want to legally "get into the system" and nothing else, then the VAL-429 VOR/ILS solution is the least expensive way to go. BUT unless you will never fly within Tampa, Orlando, Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, Jacksonville, Sarasota, Ft. Myers or any other "Rule Airspace" you really should consider an IFR solution that includes ADS-B out. "Pay me now, or pay me later."
Just my 2 cents.

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04-29-2019, 08:18 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Vaca Moo Airport - TA37 in East TEXAS
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RV8iator
Not required for legal IFR.
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For standard aircraft, a heated pitot tube is required if it's going to be flown IFR as per Part 23 however some may argue it doesn’t apply to experimental aircraft and only Part 91.205 applies.
Part 91.205 lists the gyros and radios required in addition to the VFR equipment needed and doesn’t mention heated pitot tubes but also mentions standard category airplanes. Now the good stuff, what does your Ops Limits say regarding IFR flight?
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04-29-2019, 08:28 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: NC25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pilot135pd
For standard aircraft, a heated pitot tube is required if it's going to be flown IFR as per Part 23 however some may argue it doesn’t apply to experimental aircraft and only Part 91.205 applies.
(4) Part 91.205 DOESN'T LIST a heated pitot tube as a necessary element required for IFR flight. It only lists the instrument panel gyros, instrumentation, and radios required in addition to the VFR equipment needed.
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The Operating Limitations define what is required for IFR and or night flight. Some Operating Limitations have the Limitation of DAY VFR ONLY.
Operating Limitations require that we meet requirements of 91.205 for night and or IFR operations.
Part 125 only applies to aircraft with 20 or more passengers. Part 23 only applies to Standard Category aircraft. Again, Operating Limitations have what requirements that our EXPERIMENTAL aircraft are required to meet. Latest version of FAA Order 8130.2 has the FAA Requirements for an amateur built experimental airworthiness certificate.
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Last edited by RV6_flyer : 04-29-2019 at 08:33 AM.
Reason: standard cat
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04-29-2019, 08:36 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Vaca Moo Airport - TA37 in East TEXAS
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GalinHdz
If you just want to legally "get into the system" and nothing else, then the VAL-429 VOR/ILS solution is the least expensive way to go. BUT unless you will never fly within Tampa, Orlando, Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, Jacksonville, Sarasota, Ft. Myers or any other "Rule Airspace" you really should consider an IFR solution that includes ADS-B out. "Pay me now, or pay me later."
Just my 2 cents.

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So I?m considering an ADS-B product that?s going to cost me $1300 then I add a VAL-429 for another $1800 for a total of $3100. What would you recommend that?s cheaper than that?
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04-29-2019, 08:43 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Smyrna, TN
Posts: 144
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Originally Posted by HBpilot
I was not the builder on that RV so I cannot do the work
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As others have mentioned, you can do the work yourself. I'm in an almost identical situation myself. I bought my RV as well, and while it was already minimally equipped for IFR, I'm working on improving its capabilities. I've found it to be an uphill battle learning everything required, but I've enjoyed the journey so far. I've done lots of reading, studying, and planning, and I'm almost ready to start cutting and stripping my first wires!
One thing that I haven't seen mentioned yet is to check your Operating Limitations. Most that I have seen have language like, "After completion of phase I flight testing, unless appropriately equipped for night and/or instrument flight in accordance with ? 91.205, this aircraft is to be operated under VFR, day only." If yours lacks the underlined text (or something very similar), other folk smarter than me will have to advise what your options are for issuing new OLs.
EAA has an article that would answer most of your questions.
https://www.eaa.org/eaa/aircraft-bui...ifr-operations
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Last edited by thompsonbr87 : 04-29-2019 at 08:55 AM.
Reason: Strikethough - other folks posting while I was typing. Edit 2: apparently strikethrough code doesn't work here...
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04-29-2019, 09:09 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Eatonton, GA
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Originally Posted by RV8iator
Not required for legal IFR.
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Apparently there is some room for debate on this, but I can tell you in my own personal risk management profile, there is no way I want to be in any visible moisture without a heated pitot. So for my VFR to IFR conversion, that will be a non-negotiable include (I?ll add AOA while I?m at it).
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04-29-2019, 09:38 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Bowie MD
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Not yet mentioned, but you also gotta comply with marker lights etc for IFR/night flight......
The VAL unit other guys have mentions is slick, tho I'd personally go with a used SL30 and then youve got an extra panel radio to boot.....would cost more tho.
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04-29-2019, 09:53 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Friendswood, Tx
Posts: 390
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I have a d180 based panel. I would recommend a used garmin 400w. It gives all the ifr enroute and approach capabilities i will ever need. Can be bought for $3500-$4000 or possiblity the new gtn-175. This also gives you a waas ouput for adsb. I also have a d10a as a secondary attitude indicator and a trutrack vizion 385 autopilot that shoots beautiful coupled approaches. D10a used for under $1000 and the autopilot is $1800. The autopilot has its own ahrs system that can fly even if both dynon’s die which is unlikely since both have backup batteries installed. To be basic ifr, all you need is a single radio and appropriate nav radios for the intended route. A single vor system will work, but is probably not the level of equipment most pilots will accept. This entire panel cost $13k.

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Last edited by titanhank : 06-01-2020 at 10:03 PM.
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04-29-2019, 09:58 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: 57AZ - NW Tucson area
Posts: 10,011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingBanker
You didn?t mention having a heated pitot, but I believe you would need that for legal IFR.
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Not actually required per the FARs.... but recommended
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