To all that posted tips!

[Bob Axsom]

Anything I put out there was put out there for help and if you make a serious effort to collect all the good information and make it available for more builder's who am I to object. One thing I have noticed is valuable information, and there is a lot of it that passes through this web site, is that over time it goes down the obscurity drain and gets raised again by another builder. The hard copy gives permanence to the information.

Bob Axsom

[LettersFromFlyoverCountry]

My apologies. I missed the whole fortune cookie part. You know, that is a fine idea.

You won't make any money with it because your fortune cookie would have to be the size of a woodchuck to get the fortune in there.

[Howie]

Mark,
Don't fold your tent up yet. I think its a good idea and would be a great source of amusement.
Howie

[gmcjetpilot]

Would someone pay for it if they can get it for free off the web, albeit you may have some takers for convenience or format, ie paper.

Others have done things like this, for example the "25 years of the RVator", which is rich with tips, a best of the RVator. I am sure that's with Van's permission he reprinted it. Not sure about copyright info on internet info, "public domain"? I was asked nicely to copy info I posted on another web site and I said sure.

Doug owns this site. When we post he kind of owns the info. We posters freely give the info for fun, to help each other and learn our self, not for profit. In fact the whole armature built experimental category of plane is for education not profit. You should as doug. If you used my stuff I would appreciate you asking or a credit.

We are talking ideas. Hard to put a finger on it and would someone sue you for it. You may want to ask a lawyer. If its not copy right than you probably are safe.

On the other hand there is nothing new under the sun, top secret, patent or proprietary info. Say if you write a book of tips and give credit for unique or original ideas you may be safe. However in the day of the lawyer, a ham sandwich can sue you for eating it.

Good Luck. You may just want to get a second job. You can go broke making money in aviation. Cheers

[jcoloccia]

Originally Posted by gmcjetpilot

However in the day of the lawyer, a ham sandwich can sue you for eating it.

And the waiter for serving it, and the chef for making it, and the guy at the next table for not doing anything about it....

And this just in: You can now sue Jeppesen for providing that flight plan that flew the bus driver that drove the chef that made the meat that.....

There's a hole,
There's a hole,
There's a hole at the bottom of the sea....

[RudiGreyling]

Sorry but I have a problem with someone trying to make money on someone else's creativity.

You can't just ask for a blanket approval, you will need individual approval, and give credit where due.

Cataloging and selling information is big business. The world is changing from who you know to what you know and how you use that information. Doubt you would make big $ with your venture but still.

The thing that makes this RV community great is that people invest their time and effort for free for others to benefit from it in their building experience. Not the financial gain.

My 2c, Regards,
Rudi

[grantcarruthers]

I feel very strongly that what you are doing is completely reasonable and fair. The work you did to ORGANISE and DISTRIBUTE the information is what people are paying for. The advice and tips are already free to everyone already, they just aren't organised and user friendly which is what your product is in my mind. I'm sorry people are responding in such a negetive manner to your idea. I see no difference in DR having advertising here and profitting (although it may not turn an actual profit, just offset costs) from peoples posts. I certainly support DR in collecting money in any way he can to continue offering this wonderful site for all of us. But when it comes down to it he is selling our posts whether they be funny, community support, entertainment, or build tips. His product is organising and distributing the posts which are offered for free to the world by each of us as we hit the post icon. I see your venture as the same thing.

I may be wrong and get flamed for this opinion but the posts/ideas that you are selling have already been given freely and completely to the world. Ownership has been forfitted and further permission is not necessary. Giving credit may be a nice touch though.

And really, who would stand in the way of the passing of information and knowledge to future builders and noobies. Isn't that why we are here on this site and look forward to posting a juicy tip in the first place??

[jmartinez443]

I know I'll incur the wrath of the list for this comment: but you all need to pay attention to the original post before posting.

What the gentleman is trying to do is start a business selling novelty fortune cookies to the experimental community. I think it is a GREAT idea and wish I had thought of it myself.

To the original poster: if I ever come up with a great idea (don't hold your breath) you are more than welcome to use it.

Here's a quote for your first fortune cookie: "If you are using this information to build your airplane I suggest you take up gardening"

You can attribute that to Jorge Martinez.

[xavierm]

Create a website where people can submit their tips. Put a disclaimer on the site saying by submitting this you are granting... (blah blah).

Here's an example from another site (he's making good money off of other peoples confessions):

Legal Notice

By submitting information to ---, you grant ---- a perpetual, royalty-free license to use, reproduce, modify, publish, distribute, and otherwise exercise all copyright and publicity rights with respect to that information at its sole discretion, including storing it on ----- servers and incorporating it in other works in any media now known or later developed including without limitation published books.

If you do not wish to grant ---- these rights, it is suggested that you do not submit information to this website. ----- reserves the right to select, edit and arrange submissions, and to remove information from the PostSecret website at any time at its sole discretion.

No image from this site may be used for any purpose without expressed written authorization, with one exception; you may post one image as a link to this site.

[az_gila]

I like this one - used by the "wiki" folks - I believe...

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/

I've put lots of stuff (useful, I hope... ...) on the web for free, and expect it to be shared.

However, I don't expect others to profit from my work.... I put it out for free, it should stay for free...

gil in Tucson

Perhaps I'll add it to my VAF signature...