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02-15-2019, 10:35 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Originally Posted by jliltd
Sometimes when flying formation ATC will request wing men sqwawk standby. If the wingman has ADS-B out technically ATC should not make the request and the pilot should not do it.
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It probably sets off all of their collision alert warnings. Wait for it, some genius will declare all transponders must allow a "formation" setting, specifying which aircraft is lead, and every airplane will again require a transponder upgrade. |
02-15-2019, 10:58 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Floyds Knobs, IN
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There is a multi-year aged issue with ADS-B out and aerobatics the FAA and EAA and IAC have been working. When inverted/rolling/manuevering enough you lose position source of GPS. This can trigger the heads up/nastygram FAA contact.
https://www.iac.org/news/2016-12-17-ads-b-update
Formation and Aerobatics were shockingly (sarcasm font) overlooked to some extent so far.
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02-15-2019, 03:50 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Rancho San Lorenzo
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Along with acro and formation aircraft being ignored so were non engine-driven electrical aircraft. We have a Luscombe hangared at Class C and we keep a battery on a charger so we can use a Mode C transponder to get in and out of C and then turn it off when outside of C. All legal and plays well with others. We now have to move our airplane as we cannot equip with ADS-B since it requires the "always on", not just while in rule airspace. That would deplete our battery and trigger a violation.  Meanwhile Jeff Bezos wants to launch Amazon drones that claim they can avoid other aircraft since real airplanes fly high and have ADS-B out. Our Luscombe rarely gets over 400' AGL and doesn't have ADS-B out.
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02-15-2019, 05:53 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Originally Posted by f14av8r
Shielding your identity (aircraft or otherwise) from the general public is one thing. It is the ONLY reason for the anonymous modes in use or being proposed. You are fooling yourself if you think you can shield your aircrafts identity from the FAA while your transponder is turned on.
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How will the FAA know who you are when in anonymous mode squawking 1200?
No identifying information is being transmitted.
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02-16-2019, 09:36 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Originally Posted by Steve Iacoviello
How will the FAA know who you are when in anonymous mode squawking 1200?
No identifying information is being transmitted.
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If you took off from an uncontrolled area and never fly in any areas requiring a transponder code other than 1200, then you may be right.
If you have to pick up a code anywhere, your entire flight can now be tagged with your ident if someone goes back and reviews the logs.
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02-16-2019, 10:00 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Prescott, AZ
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Wow, this thread is like a winding road on the coast. It wears out my tires with all the drift. Privacy went away years ago.
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02-16-2019, 12:33 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: 08A
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Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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02-16-2019, 12:46 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Birmingham, Alabama
Posts: 1,635
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DanH
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Dylan Thomas ... NICE!
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N196 (Flying)
2019 Bronze Lindy
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02-16-2019, 01:38 PM
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: Pocahontas MS
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Iacoviello
How will the FAA know who you are when in anonymous mode squawking 1200?
No identifying information is being transmitted.
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Are you sure about that? I think that all it suppresses is your N number; isn't the raw code of the ADSB unit (which is tied to your N number in the FAA database) still transmitted? |
02-16-2019, 02:02 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Mojave
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flightlogic
... Privacy went away years ago...
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Maybe for the millennials, but this Gen Xer is going to cling to it until my deathbed.
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