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01-03-2019, 03:41 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Tampa, FL
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Steve,
I REALLY like where you are headed with this.
My input (FWIW):
- Move of the radios and AP to the center a big plus. I would also move them ABOVE the central iPad. Mounted low is more head down time and you will need to adjust them regularly. Also might reduce washout/glare on that iPad. Maybe not possible due to depth/tip up hinges??
- I agree with the comments on switches. Strongly suggest locking toggles (vs rockers) and do consider workflow in the relative placements.
- I would put power (USB) and headset (why aren?t you using Bluetooth??) out of sight below the panel. Perhaps even on the seat bulkhead behind you.
BTW: what are your plans for engine monitoring ? is that on the iPads too? I have always wondered why this (wireless tablet display and logging of engine data) isn?t a product yet...
My comments above in the context of a fair weather day VFR use case.
Peter
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Originally Posted by ssokol
Here's a revision with the switches put in a better (I think) order. The flap switch is now well away from the rest of the switches, but easily in reach. I probably could be talked into replacing it with a traditional flap switch (with the wedge handle) located just below the AP, as that would be reachable by thumb with my hand on the throttle.
I'm still using the bulky auto-style rocker switches as I don't have a model for a locking toggle yet. I may also try a version with standard toggles with the guards between them. The current panel has standard toggles and I've never inadvertently switched anything off, but better safe than sorry...
Full sized image here.
Full size panel only view (no instruments).

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01-03-2019, 03:44 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Menomonee Falls, WI
Posts: 145
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ELT?
It looks like you need the little ELT controller too.
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01-03-2019, 04:07 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Cupertino, California
Posts: 109
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EMS options, demo video.
PJC - thanks! With regard to the EMS... I'm taking two different approaches to that challenge.
I have an EMS system that I've been working on for the past couple of years. It's a work in progress, but ultimately that's what I'll offer for "greenfield" installations. The current incarnation is built for "classic" aircraft engines. It uses traditional analog sensors / senders for RPM; MAP; EGT; CHT; fuel level, pressure and flow; oil pressure and temperature; amps, volts, etc. I plan on building another version that supports more modern (UL, Rotax) engines with integrated electronics and CAN bus interfaces.
But... there are a lot of aircraft out there that already have a perfectly good EMS from somebody else. Tons of EIS systems from GRT. Lots of Dynon EMS systems. And in the certified world there are all kinds of aircraft with JPI and EI systems. Most of those 3rd party EMSs include a serial (RS-232) output that can be connected to the FlightBox which can translate the data into its internal format and display it on an iPad.
Here's a link to a demo video I put together for some friends. This isn't a live flight - I have the system slaved to a simulator - but it shows the EMS in actions. Pardon the lousy production values, poor virtual piloting, and rather inane voiceover.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhaB...ature=youtu.be
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01-03-2019, 04:08 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: boynton beach fl
Posts: 210
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ato fuses
I used ATO fuses mounted on a hinge under the right side of the panel. It was easy and I understand there are pros and cons. I did use some switch breakers for some but mostly ATO fuses under the right side of the panel. I like how your panel is evolving.
Take care
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01-03-2019, 06:45 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: KSGJ / TJBQ
Posts: 2,039
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Originally Posted by ssokol
Any thoughts on using a separate piece of aluminum to mount the breakers, allowing me to simply unscrew the breaker panel and leave it in place if / when I remove the rest of the instrument panel?
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That is along the lines of what I did with my circuit breakers and switches.
It works great!!! 
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01-03-2019, 07:19 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: KSGJ / TJBQ
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Originally Posted by ssokol
Transponder / ADS-B / Encoder:
I am reusing the Trig TT22 and the Dynon 2020 GPS receiver that are currently in the aircraft. The TT22 is a blind mount 1090-ES unit which covers both the transponder and ADS-B Out requirements. The primary FlightBox serves as the altitude encoder. It sends the pressure altitude from the air data computer to the Trig over an RS-232 link.
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IIRC, you can't connect the Dynon 2020 GPS directly to the Dynon/Trig transponder. 
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01-04-2019, 07:45 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Originally Posted by rocketman1988
The iPads have proven to very reliable, and they work well. They have been proven over many years and hundreds of thousand flight hours. That's good enough for me...
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One consideration to keep in mind: The airline also uses them in a different environment. We're in an exposed bubble canopy with a lot of sun. They're in a closed, sometimes even air-conditioned, cockpit with little sun to worry about (and if there is, moving it to hold it below the sunbeam is probably a lot easier than shading three on the panel).
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01-04-2019, 07:47 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Originally Posted by GalinHdz
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FYI... None of your images show up...
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01-04-2019, 07:56 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Additional thoughts after your latest changes:
Center Stack / Radios:
Moving the radios over is better, but what about using three identical iPads instead of one only slightly larger one? That would give you three-way redundancy, and you could even swap them from position to position in flight if needed if one failed. That would also give you a little more room to move them all slightly closer together and away from the edges (the reinforcing angle might interfere at the outer corners). It would also give a little more real estate for the radios.
Additional Breakers:
Rocker Switches:
Have you looked at the MGL ECB unit? With the dual-lighted Carling-style switches, you could have function and breaker status incorporated into one cap... That's the route I've been considering. Then the fact that the switches are a little bigger isn't as much of a problem, as you don't have a wall of breakers to stare at.
USB Power Jack
Definitely put these under the panel. On one of the bulkheads or in the armrest would be good, it gets all the wires out of the way and (mostly) out of sight.
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Those little white rectangular cuts you see in the panel allow connectors to feed through and power the iPads.
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Just a thought: Make a recessed tray for each iPad, and have the connectors stick through a slot in the side of the tray, rather than flat-mount the iPads on the front of the panel with a visible (and ugly) cable showing.
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1996 RV-6 "Tweety" C-FRBP (formerly N196RV)
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01-04-2019, 02:19 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Bratislava, Slovakia
Posts: 203
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You can find some free 3D toggle switches here: https://grabcad.com/library?utf8=%E2...oggle%20switch
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssokol
Here's a revision with the switches put in a better (I think) order. The flap switch is now well away from the rest of the switches, but easily in reach. I probably could be talked into replacing it with a traditional flap switch (with the wedge handle) located just below the AP, as that would be reachable by thumb with my hand on the throttle.
I'm still using the bulky auto-style rocker switches as I don't have a model for a locking toggle yet. I may also try a version with standard toggles with the guards between them. The current panel has standard toggles and I've never inadvertently switched anything off, but better safe than sorry...
Full sized image here.
Full size panel only view (no instruments).

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