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12-20-2018, 08:32 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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ADSB save - or near enough for me
This morning I was flying my 9A into KMDD headed to work, talking to Midland approach. They pointed out traffic at my 1 o'clock opposite direction 5 miles and handed me to advisory frequency. I saw the traffic on ADSB but not visually, he was on a parallel course about 1 mile to my right coming at me, about 900 below as I was descending into KMDD. He was not talking to approach and he was not on KMDD advisory frequency.
I was still descending and getting within 300' of his altitude and had not found him visually yet - when I noticed on the ADSB screen he had taken a 90-degree right hand turn and was heading directly for me, less than a mile, just as the Dynon squawk-box hollered "Traffic!". I gave up the visual search and pulled about 2.5 positive G to quickly add several hundred feet between us. I finally caught sight of him just as he crossed under me, we would have had less than 100 yards separation if I had maintained my original course and descent.
I don't know any way to have avoided this, since the other pilot was not talking on the local frequency nor to approach (he was in Class E airspace, so not required) but having the ability to SEE him electronically certainly gave me the situational awareness to avoid a close encounter and possibly worse. I did not have a tail number on my screen so the other aircraft was not ADSB-equipped.
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12-20-2018, 08:45 AM
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Definitely would call that a save! Well done and glad you're safe 
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12-20-2018, 12:31 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Sonoma County
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Quote:
Originally Posted by airguy
This morning I was flying my 9A into KMDD headed to work, talking to Midland approach. They pointed out traffic at my 1 o'clock opposite direction 5 miles and handed me to advisory frequency. I saw the traffic on ADSB but not visually, he was on a parallel course about 1 mile to my right coming at me, about 900 below as I was descending into KMDD. He was not talking to approach and he was not on KMDD advisory frequency.
I was still descending and getting within 300' of his altitude and had not found him visually yet - when I noticed on the ADSB screen he had taken a 90-degree right hand turn and was heading directly for me, less than a mile, just as the Dynon squawk-box hollered "Traffic!". I gave up the visual search and pulled about 2.5 positive G to quickly add several hundred feet between us. I finally caught sight of him just as he crossed under me, we would have had less than 100 yards separation if I had maintained my original course and descent.
I don't know any way to have avoided this, since the other pilot was not talking on the local frequency nor to approach (he was in Class E airspace, so not required) but having the ability to SEE him electronically certainly gave me the situational awareness to avoid a close encounter and possibly worse. I did not have a tail number on my screen so the other aircraft was not ADSB-equipped.
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Wouldn't it be great if everyone would fly with their landing light on. You can see it over 15 miles during the day.
Motorcycles have done this for years...... and have saved MANY lives.
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12-20-2018, 12:41 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Dayton Airpark, NV A34
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Originally Posted by gasman
Wouldn't it be great if everyone would fly with their landing light on. You can see it over 15 miles during the day.
Motorcycles have done this for years...... and have saved MANY lives.
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And, wigwag lights make it even easier to find/see.
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12-20-2018, 01:03 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Calgary, Canada
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Glad you were able to take avoiding action Greg as it sounds like the other guy never saw you.
I was saved about 10 years ago with my Monroy Traffic Alert which used transponder signals to call out nearby traffic. I was in the middle of nowhere at 9500 feet (uncontrolled airspace) and the alert went off. It usually gave first warning at about 3 NM. About 15 seconds later I spotted the traffic about 70 degrees to my right converging fast, same altitude (wrong altitude for his direction of flight).
I pushed forward on the stick at about 1/2 a mile to keep him in view and the 421 passed directly over my canopy. I believe we would have collided or missed by less than 20 feet if I hadn't lost that 200 feet in the last few seconds.
My scan was usually left or right maybe 60 degrees. That wasn't quite enough to catch this guy and maybe not often enough anyway given the closing speeds.
The electronics will certainly save a few folks. Luckily this guy had his transponder on because some don't.
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12-20-2018, 01:51 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gasman
Wouldn't it be great if everyone would fly with their landing light on. You can see it over 15 miles during the day.
Motorcycles have done this for years...... and have saved MANY lives.
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Originally Posted by Mike S
And, wigwag lights make it even easier to find/see.
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Remember, there are a LOT of planes out there flying around without lights, wig-wags, radios, etc.
Even with ADS-B, you have to keep your head and eyes outside the cockpit.
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12-20-2018, 02:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gasman
Wouldn't it be great if everyone would fly with their landing light on.
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I definitely would except for the fact that the light is on my (retractable) landing gear. It's highly visible when the gear are down, but not so much in cruise.
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12-20-2018, 02:09 PM
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Agree - ADS-B and lights are great tools. But let's not forget flight following - Saved my bacon back in the day.
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12-20-2018, 02:27 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Asheville, NC
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I still need to connect my iPad via Bluetooth to my headset audio somehow so I can get the audible "Traffic!" alerts, and the others that Foreflight offers. Too cheap to buy a new headset.
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